# For Folks who are 'Leaving' **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 27, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893 "2021-09-27T04:32:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/767 "2021-11-25T03:10:33Z")
> [@Kojo\_Kugisa](#): > > I wouldn’t know, my game has always been about grinding out enough money to keep my accounts going, I used to sub 1 but the day they killed the POS was the day I vowed to never pay them again. > If I start getting rich I just get drunk, start a quiz in Jita and give it all away. > I think I gave 300 bil away on a New Years Eve a few years ago. So instead you give them the more valuable resource of time. Huh. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I tend to agree. There’s no such thing as ‘purely’ PvE in Eve. Having now been ganked twice while in the middle of PvE I came my closest to just quitting. > > I’m in a universe full of heroes who wait till someone’s shields are low from PvE…then attack. > > It’s not that I object to ganking, or the cowardly nature of a lot of it, or was not aware of the dangers, but that sense of the balance of power being totally askew when it comes to ganking. Gankers choose the lowest cost ships and don’t care about losing them. How do you fight that ? You cannot proactively go after them in a bigger ship…well, you can but then the ganker still wins costwise. > > The gankers win. The gankers will always win. Orwell’s ’ imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever’ comes to mind. Or you just terribad at the game and can’t handle missioning, watching local and d-scan? Huh. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s pretty much the _only_ suicide-gank that person has ever done. It seems suspicious. Not saying it was staged, but definitely suspicious. This is kind of like something someone would do out of principle after someone else talks ■■■■ to them. Pretty sure she just paid the dude to kill her. Or asked him to, > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I don’t care how you ‘see’ it. I was there…you weren’t. I don’t appreciate someone **inventing** a load of complete and utter unsubstantiated conspiratorial gibberish just because **they** can’t understand what to anyone else was a straightforward gank. Its not tho. Unless they read the forums and saw you LOL. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Oh, that is just hilarious. Given that gankers are precisely the sort of cowardly worms who sneak up on someone low on shield from PvE…the whole idea of an ‘honour’ ganking has to truly take the biscuit. > > I cannot possibly have dishonoured someone who **has** no honour. So you also don’t know how to fit a condor? Huh. ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/768 "2021-11-25T05:12:10Z")
You gotta bate them with meat 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/769 "2021-11-25T05:39:06Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > it wouldn’t be far-fetched to think they might’ve offended someone. > > Oh, that is just hilarious. Given that gankers are precisely the sort of cowardly worms who sneak up on someone low on shield from PvE…the whole idea of an ‘honour’ ganking has to truly take the biscuit. > > I cannot possibly have dishonoured someone who **has** no honour. That’s nice and all, but once again, the person who killed you isn’t a ganker. Their entire kill board is filled with regular low/null-sec fleet and solo kills, **except for you**. If that player truly is a “cowardly worm who sneaks up on people with low shields from PvE,” they’d have more than a single kill like that on their record. So I’m going to conclude one of two possibilities: 1. The kill was somehow provoked. 2. The kill was staged to create some “cred” for trolling the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/770 "2021-11-25T05:45:50Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > the person who killed you isn’t a ganker And the Pope isn’t a Catholic ! I could not care less what you ‘conclude’, as you clearly haven’t the faintest idea what you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/771 "2021-11-25T05:52:40Z")
I’ve never seen anyone as emotionally invested in two frigate losses as you are. I’ve seen more discussion and explanation and general yacking about your 5 mil in losses than literally any other player’s on these forums. Why is that? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/772 "2021-11-25T05:52:45Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Or you just terribad at the game and can’t handle missioning, watching local and d-scan? Not as bad as you are at trolling posts. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/773 "2021-11-25T05:55:07Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > I’ve seen more discussion and explanation and general yacking about your 5 mil in losses than literally any other player’s on these forums. Why is that? Maybe because someone **finally** showed up who can see and express just how much the game dynamic sucks. Get used to it…its not the last you’ll hear. You lot could do with some input from someone who isn’t suffering from Eve Stockholm syndrome. The problem is not ganking in itself, but the inability to proactively do anything about it. Gankers act with total impunity and little consequence, and it is pointless going after them with a bigger ship…or even going after them at all. And who wants to spend their time running away ? WHY do people day after day put up with Uedama being over-run by gankers…like some sort of Logan’s Run 'that’s just the way things are ’ apathy. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/774 "2021-11-25T06:23:52Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/8/3/783b18428cdf38116ea58f62092e82d244eec6b6.jpeg) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/2/b29db4e032bb00935af87a944bed244d2945c62e.gif) Literally all your words and their words. Hardly new. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/775 "2021-11-25T06:45:33Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Not as bad as you are at trolling posts. I mean you got killed in a condor by a cata. You should have had a MWD fit and should have easily outranged him. The fact that he made it to blaster/scram range is entirely on you ROFL. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > but the inability to proactively do anything about it. More outright lies. You choose not to and then choose not to accept accountability when you get caught slipping LOL. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > WHY do people day after day put up with Uedama being over-run by gankers…like some sort of Logan’s Run 'that’s just the way things are ’ apathy. Same reason as you. Perpetual victimhood. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/776 "2021-11-25T07:15:04Z")
Wait, was it just a single Catalyst? ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/777 "2021-11-25T07:41:03Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I cannot possibly have dishonoured someone who **has** no honour Maybe they read something like this you wrote on the forum ……. Saw you in game and decided to take a punt? ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/778 "2021-11-25T08:02:48Z")
> [@NickyYo](#): > > This guy must be an absolute tosser in real life. CCP should just remove the CSM role, clearly it’s not working the game has been in a state of decline over the last 10 years. So wrong and yet so right at the same time. Democracy is old magic, used to abuse and confuse those subject to tyranny since civilisation. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/779 "2021-11-25T10:59:35Z")
Story time. Short while ago I had the silly idea to use a nighthawk for HS Guristas anoms. Apart from the fact that it’s not silly at all given you only get 4/10 or 5/10 escalations, the stupid dps, good application and (with 2 sebos) 700+ scan res that makes Hecates cry how I’m “stealing their kills” (this actually happened). I’m ehp fit with ehp implants, I _know_ my ehp vs Void and EMP. I’ve set standing to obvious gank groups and went out doing my thing. I enter a 0.6 system and notice 6 folks part of Safety, they’re not on my ingate so while gatecloaked I quickly check them: they use catalysts. I’m not worried about 6 cats in my ship so I warp to an anom and go do my thing. It’s a missile BC hull so I don’t bother to move, suddenly I see 6 people join my grid (I see them because my overview isn’t a mess and because I’m paying attention), instantly hit MWD and start moving away from my current location. By the time they get out of warp and managed to target and tackle me I’m already 8km away from them, where their Void does fckall so all they did was tickle me. Moral of the story: a fight doesn’t start when the first shot is fired, it starts WAY before that and there are many choices and decisions along that chain of events, where you had the option to change or avoid the outcome, before you end up in the situation where there’s nothing you can do about it any more. In short: stop sucking, stop being lazy, stop blaming others for your own lack of effort. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/780 "2021-11-25T13:50:37Z")
\*It was at this moment I fell deeply in love with The Nighthawk\* But I also love your post in general too ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/781 "2021-11-25T14:30:12Z")
It’s actually very good at it for the reasons mentioned. High EHP, doesn’t require an expensive fit (most expensive was the sister probe launcher which I hardly used) and the hull isn’t even expensive compared to pirate cruiser hulls. It’s actually quite a good ship to use to deter ganking. Dps is stupid, range is enough, damage application is great too with ship bonus and rigor/flare rigs (which you can use because of its innate high tank vs guristas). Only downsides are scan res (solved) and agility but generally not an issue as you can align before completing a site. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/782 "2021-11-25T18:42:11Z")
> [@Totally\_Spinbot](#): > > These are real players… They are the future FCs, industial leaders, fleet fillers and just about everything in the game. No they aren’t. They are quitters and losers. ---
**Author:** ![TiberianSun371AlexW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiberiansun371alexw/32/510819_2.png) [@TiberianSun371AlexW](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TiberianSun371AlexW)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/783 "2021-11-25T18:57:45Z")
I bet anyone who says they’re leaving is coming back in 3 months. But maybe there are other people who will just leave without a word. ---
**Author:** ![L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_gonic_d_gingar/32/394930_2.png) [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_gonic_D_gingar)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2021, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/784 "2021-11-26T03:13:41Z")
True! Most people simply log off, unsub and are never heard from again! But I fail to see any improvement forcing people to join MEGA groups to mine simple ores. I think EVE would be far far ahead if they worked on small scale solo adventures. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2021, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/785 "2021-11-26T07:13:36Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > In short: stop sucking, stop being lazy, stop blaming others for your own lack of effort. Preach it from the mountaintop. Also I wonder if they could have broken your tank assuming you fought back. Pretty sure nighthawks can be tanked like a brick. > [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](#): > > True! Most people simply log off, unsub and are never heard from again! But I fail to see any improvement forcing people to join MEGA groups to mine simple ores. I think EVE would be far far ahead if they worked on small scale solo adventures. You can solo and small gang. But you must, and I stress this, must accept that if you come into contact with a competent group bigger than yours, you getting blapped. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2021, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/786 "2021-11-26T07:38:36Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Also I wonder if they could have broken your tank assuming you fought back. Pretty sure nighthawks can be tanked like a brick. Nah, 6 catas in a 0.6 vs my ehp wouldn’t have worked, I have 150K EHP vs Void. He never scanned me and I doubt he gave it much thought, it was late night US time zone and he probably wanted to try “one last gank before logging”. Had he scanned me he’d have known I was EHP fit and had no valuables onboard, not in fit nor loot. My only worry was him having more friends warping in with Tornado’s to try and finish it, but then you get to the point of ganking a relatively cheap ship with pretty much zero drop value, other than “lol lets waste a few Tornado’s” there’s really no point. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893.md?page=34) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893.md?page=36)