# For Folks who are 'Leaving' **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 27, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893 "2021-09-27T04:32:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/145 "2021-09-28T11:57:06Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > People who were brought up with the belief of “you can do anything and you can be anything” _are_ in for a rude awakening in this game Just imagine an ad which depicting the protagonist describing his fighting experience with images of his combat and ending with him being obliterated by a superior enemy force. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/146 "2021-09-28T11:58:55Z")
Without receiving a participation award. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/147 "2021-09-28T12:08:27Z")
Fade to black and we hear “medical clone activated” ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/148 "2021-09-28T12:22:29Z")
Or a short EvE documentary genre “Wildlife”, narrated by sir David Attenborough. Scene 1 : an asteroid belt with a lone miner. "_Here we see a young miner, barely hatched from the clone bay. He has ventured far away from the safety of his nest, the home station where he was born, into the seemingly empty vastness of outer space. He’s hoping to find some riches among the many asteroids that dot this solar system. Little does he know that he has stumbled into a dangerous part of space, and that his every move is being watched, by human hunters invisible to scanner and probe. They too are out seeking whatever they can grab to make a living, and will kill whatever stands in their way to their next small profit._ etc. (we all know how this will progress) ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/149 "2021-09-28T12:39:14Z")
Damn i laughed soo hard 😂 🤣 Thats the way! … it is soo unfortunate to see players actually far more creative and successfull to present hash reality of eve online with a spice of humour than ccp . ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/150 "2021-09-28T13:16:27Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > I am not asking why they leave but why they have a total meltdown in the process of leaving. Here is the problem: This discussion has nothing to do with the game but with the individual attitude towards the decision of leaving the game. Why a CSM asks about this, escapes my imagination as well as the mind of most peeps trying to give their opinion here, I bet. Hence why we deviate and attempt to answer the type of question that should be asked. In our twisted and out of focus heads, we still idealize the right question: Why are we leaving, why we left, what can be done for those in the process.. et-cetera. No one cares about that. and specially this CSM rep, or at the minimum, he is not bringing that topic here. The question is why you make a big deal about it? = Why are you bringing this forth so adamantly, that it is making a CSM show up wanting to know?. No, not bingo!.. TRINGO! No one cares. And no one cares to answer: Why shouldn’t anyone voice (in any way) their reasons? Could it be… because potential new players are indeed diligently checking out what they are getting into? Numbers don’t lie but they matter in many ways, not ALL ways. The game is doing great in terms of noobland paradise and its influx of “new” pilot creation.. It takes a great deal for me to understand how a 3 day pilot can establish anything within unknown territory. Maybe there are not so many “new” players. Maybe and finally those numbers are seen as unreal and the true newbies are not coming because when you leave, you make such big deal.. and voice it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/151 "2021-09-28T13:19:41Z")
Watching an advert is not researching a product. People who think it is get exactly what they deserve. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/152 "2021-09-28T13:23:39Z")
I am pretty sure the talent and creativity is present at ccp to this day. The sense of humor is still there too, but perhaps with less “Schadenfreude” than before. By the looks and feel of it, they seem to have progressed from a passion project to a more institutionalized shape of company, with more red tape, more meetings, more levels of approval, metrics - and the good and bad that comes with it. It does look like the vision on the game itself (mechanics, balance, difficulty, interaction, freedom) is more or less intact, but the vision on how to position (market) their game seems very one-sided at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/153 "2021-09-28T13:28:30Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > I am pretty sure the talent and creativity is present at ccp to this day. The sense of humor is still there too Where though? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/154 "2021-09-28T13:42:38Z")
You want names 😀 ? Nah. Companies that have “creativity” as their resource, what ccp is, can foster or hamper the emergence of novel ideas and room for creativity. Such companies are very tricky to run, needing a sufficiently large pool of creators and idea generators, and a sufficiently _small_ pool of managers and admin, plus the necessary leadership, vision and risk taking (allowing your collaborators to be creative is a jump into the unknown for most ‘managers’). Trust is a big thing, and depending on who’s the most influential, it may not be available to a sufficient degree - but the creators are still there. People make money writing many (and often useless) books on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/155 "2021-09-28T13:46:47Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > You want names 😀 ? No, I want an example of creativity by CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/156 "2021-09-28T13:53:07Z")
Not sure I understand you, there’s plenty of it. The artists still do a top job, a new ship line like the triglavians is a great addition, the whole storyline of the invasion was cool (except the final part, imo), UI updates (love or hate them) are a product of creativity, new modules, etc, the list of the last two years is quite long, and much of it was the result of team work. But on the subject of attracting new players, via ads and videos, I would pick a different path, for sure. Some of the later videos make me frown, just a bit, because they seem very out of character. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/157 "2021-09-28T13:57:00Z")
I guess what we find creative differs wildly. I would usually mean something new or clever or cleverly conceived, not same old hat either repeated over and over or wholesale lifted from somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/158 "2021-09-28T13:58:03Z")
That’s creativity vs. innovation. But yeah, both come in different levels, true. And there’s the limit of the frame work, the setting of New Eden. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/159 "2021-09-28T14:00:40Z")
Whut So stealing a design from Destiny and calling it a Triglavian Battleship is… which? Creativity or innovation? How do you innovate without creative thought? Look we arent going to agree on this because you are under the impression CCP has had at least 1 original thought not motivated purely by increasing their income in the last… decade… lets say, and Im not. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/160 "2021-09-28T14:10:40Z")
I’ll follow @Mike_Azariah 's lead and say I’m a bit of an optimist and a bit of an anarchist. And join in with @Xuxe_Xu when she wrote > [@So long and thanks for all the fun](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fun/312807/1): > > Thanks to CCP for making EvE. I both loved and hated you CCP - but mostly loved you And that’s my take on ccp as well, at its core. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > How do you innovate without creative thought? You can’t. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So stealing a design from Destiny and calling it a Triglavian Battleship is… which? Creativity or innovation? I’m not familiar with Destiny. I do know that creative companies use patents and copyrights. So if there is any conflict it will be dealt with in court. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > you are under the impression CCP has had at least 1 original thought not motivated purely by increasing their income in the last… decade… lets say, and Im not. I’m under the impression they were creative in both aspects: game play and company income. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/161 "2021-09-28T14:17:16Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > You can’t. Right so > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > That’s creativity vs. innovation. Means…? > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > if there is any conflict it will be dealt with in court. ![Dom3WeXXkAE0Jft](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/4/b/f4ba1b14501af65f86c704eb52da32ecb91cdaef.jpeg) You guys are funning me today, clearly. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/162 "2021-09-28T14:18:19Z")
Nope, not funning you, giving you honest answers the way I see it. To quote someone: “I don’t know who pissed in your pool today, but it wasn’t me”. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/163 "2021-09-28T14:19:04Z")
Uh huh sure thing. You are saying because you dont know what something looks like, the design couldnt possibly have been cribbed because the cribber would be taken to court. Yeah thats why Pepsi doesnt exist. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/164 "2021-09-28T14:23:26Z")
The new skill window is pretty creative, in a “my 7 year old made a painting of a horse” kind of way. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893.md?page=9)