# For Folks who are 'Leaving' **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 27, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893 "2021-09-27T04:32:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/165 "2021-09-28T14:26:15Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You are saying because you dont know what something looks like, the design couldnt possibly have been cribbed because the cribber would be taken to court. > > Yeah thats why Pepsi doesnt exist. Going off on a tangent about patent or copyright infringements and how they are dealt with by lawyers in court is not my goal here. But be assured that if a company suspects infringement on its intellectual property it will act. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/166 "2021-09-28T14:27:32Z")
I can cite probably dozens of examples where it literally doesnt happen. Especially if its something no one cares about or it isnt worth the cost of suing. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/167 "2021-09-28T14:27:57Z")
New UI ? šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/168 "2021-09-28T14:28:19Z")
Or there is a silent settlement between two parties. Who knows. It happens. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/169 "2021-09-28T14:30:18Z")
So what, youre saying that because youve not seen this ship and Bungee hasnt sued CCP, I must have imagined it? Because thats how you are defending their lack of creativity. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/170 "2021-09-28T14:33:44Z")
No, Iā€™m trying to keep this exchange respectful. I havenā€™t said anything about your imagination, I was merely pointing out potentially legal repercussions _in general_ because of creative companies using intellectual property rights to protect themselves from patent/copyright infringements. Iā€™m not defending ccpā€™s alleged lack of creativity. Iā€™m not following your claim they lack creativity. Thatā€™s all. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/171 "2021-09-28T14:36:32Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Iā€™m not following your claim they lack creativity. I dont really know how to be clearer, Im sorry. Creativity usually involves making something new. If Ive misunderstood what it means or what you have meant by it, then I apologise. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/172 "2021-09-28T14:46:00Z")
Not somthing really i would like to share butā€¦ once upon a time i came with a very simple and functional ideaā€¦ low effort, short time to make it ā€¦ CCP turn that thing into create expert systems and sell it ā€¦ totall counterproductive and dysfunctionalā€¦ I meanā€¦ i find it veeery creativeā€¦ šŸ¤£ just you know not every creation has to be awsome good positive right? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/173 "2021-09-28T14:46:37Z")
I think Iā€™m starting to understand your expectation about creativity. World of Darkness, Dust514/Project Nova, Gunjack, Valkyrie, Eve Echoes ? Do these count, completely new games, some with new technology ? Like I wrote earlier, creativity comes in levels. The one for EvE online will always be limited by the boundaries of its setting, and where profit generation is concerned by the current norms in the entertainment industry and the targeted customer. But yeah, essentially a kid with water colors, a brush and a sheet of paper can be creative. The result might not be art, but it is a creation. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/174 "2021-09-28T14:48:59Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > I think Iā€™m starting to understand your expectation about creativity. World of Darkness, Dust514/Project Nova, Gunjack, Valkyrie, Eve Echoes ? Do these count, completely new games, some with new technology ? Like I wrote earlier, creativity comes in levels. The one for EvE online will always be limited by the boundaries of its setting. Ahmā€¦ thats why dev deam lead by a guy who has main interestr first person shooters mayy be ?Also explains alot ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/175 "2021-09-28T14:54:18Z")
Just need to clear this off the table first: World of Darkness was a pre existing IP. As for the others, the only thing that CCP was going to do that hadnt been successfully done was plans for various games such as DUST tie in to EvE to expand the universe experience, and they fluffed that for greed and Star Citizen decided to take that idea (and fluff it for greed even harder). None of those games are new ideas that hadnt been done better before as stand alone experiences, in as far as Id experienced them. ---
**Author:** ![Jesoph\_Swolin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesoph_swolin/32/383423_2.png) [@Jesoph\_Swolin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesoph_Swolin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/176 "2021-09-28T15:09:19Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > What I do not get is . . . why. For the same reason as why people leave suicide notes, I wager. Because they want people to understand why they left. > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > The " why " is written all over their rants as they leave, whether itā€™s true or not, thatā€™s their perception of the game or the game mechanics. Yeah. I live in FW lowsec myself, and havenā€™t been to highsec since I had to FC EDENCOM fleets, but I can see why people would get disgruntled over suicide gank attacks. I would help with that but I have discovered that sitting in a Griffin to cover newbros in Ventures is extremely boring. Every part of space has itā€™s resident problems. At least in highsec those problems are players. In FW lowsec itā€™s bots flipping warzones so other bots can farm LP in missions. Doesnā€™t make FW less fun, but it does mean that the LP is worth less than it would be in normal circumstances, which in turn means that all those newbros I try to get into the dank T1 Frigate PVP mayhem do not profit from it as much as they ought to, while the same bots continue to do this stuff night and day without CCP taking action against it. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Mike admits it! He is the GRIEFER SPACE BULLY. But even that griefer space bully was on grid in a Scimitar to do his part when the Trigs came for Niarja. > [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > Were they hoping for more catgirls and tiaras for their outfits? You say this as a joke but I think that the Gallente roleplayers would be as pleased with the catgirls as the Amarr roleplayers would be with the tiaras. > [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > I can threaten a piece but not suggest that I might tear the opponents arms off if I lose. It appears that they do not consider themselves to be a piece on the board, but just an honest bear trying to make a buck. Then once they inevitably get dropped by a swarm of Catalysts, which does sort of defy the concept of highsec as a pvp-free place, they consider this behaviour to exceed the rules. And to some degree I agree with them. I see Highsec as an area for new players or casual players. If people wanted to fight, they would come to lowsec. If they wanted to suffer through TIDI and alarm clocking theyā€™d be in nullsec. If they wanted to get in touch with their inner paranoia whilst the soundtrack of Event Horizon plays in the background theyā€™d be in wormhole space. And whilst camping a gate in lowsec connected to highsec is fine, as someone whose joy in eve comes from solo pvp, I do not view highsec ganking as a very Bushido activity. > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > never been taught to behave like adults Suffering in silence has indeed become something of a rare art these days. > [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > I went mining in lowsec and assumed that because I had nothing to take that nobody would want to kill me. I then assumed after my ship exploded that nobody would want to pod me and take the sec penalty, but I can imagine you know how that turned out. For what itā€™s worth, I donā€™t shoot those when Iā€™m out and about. Sure Iā€™ve shot a few when I was in fleet and the FC made the call, but personally I do not see the challenge in fighting a Venture. Iā€™d rather see that person make it home to port safely and use the funds to buy themselves a nice little frigate to slide into my FW complex with. > [@EM00](#): > > @Mike Azariah I am a bit confused about you saying that you do not understand why people are leaving. You have played the game and been on the forums long enough to know the main reasons very well. He did not say that he did not understand why they are leaving. He said that he does not understand why they write a massive forum post citing their grievances before they leave. > [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > Freedom opens up the possibility of failure by giving you the freedom to make the wrong choices and making you work to find the right ones. Indeed. Sometimes you just want to give someone a good fight even though you know that the match-up is not in your favour. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Belonging to a group, with group support, is the surest way of coping with not only the difficulties of the game itself, but also to grow as one of its players. I would disagree. I get by just fine on my own, and other people can do the same. Often it is the ones who belong to groups and never learned how to fight on their own who report you to CCP for orbiting them at 500 meters to make their shots miss instead of hitting Approach to ā€œhonor brawlā€. > [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > On some level, I enjoy being hunted. I have that too, when Iā€™m logged into my hauler. > [@Caleb\_Seremshur](#): > > The stronger players accept death and take steps to maximise their victory chances. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/0/5/505c689a2c98d4ada168ca091215b0b16eb0ded1.jpeg "The Dark Knight Rises " You think darkness is your ally..."") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F157geaXp_w) > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Iā€™m in a similar situation to @Qia_Kare, I havenā€™t played for months but I still lurk on the forums. I have yet to give someone my stuff or liquidate my assets in order to drop a few billion on someone. As much as I would like to say ā€œAs your possessions are now superfluous to your needs, may I receive themā€, I think the Magic School Bus might be a better one. That way it goes to newbros who might still find joy here. I guess. > [@Jumpdrive](#): > > EVE is the odd one. Itā€™s the game for patient hunters and slippery grazers, not so much for tournament fighters. Whilst the latter group does have Abyssal tournaments now, I see what you mean. When I am busy with FW, and I am sitting inside of a plex, I view it as a romantic dinner table set for two people who both enjoy pew pewing each other. Conversely I suppose that I could also be regarded as a spider sitting in a web that happens to give LP after x amount of minutes, but I prefer the dinner table metaphor. It can take a while before a bot registers the pressure I am applying to a system, and itā€™ll take a little while longer before someone notices the results the bots publish. But when you do see a hostile militia member enter local, and they do show up on 0,1 AU 360 angle, you know that theyā€™re checking zkill before deciding whether or not to slide in. Feels like [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/4/2/442517d6ef93b974a5785101ce1edcc9a9ded55f.jpeg "KOTOR 2: HK-47, What is Love?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hab3R_TRazg) > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I was talking abput why people think they should be able to survive a 2+ on one pvp battle. Think that the 10th killmark on one of my kitey Condors was taken from a 1v6 in an open complex in FW space. I see no reason why people would have victory just because of numbers. Piloting capabilities, skill training, implants, drugs and knowing your enemy and terrain can all drastically impact things, moreso than numbers. By the same metric Iā€™ve also rammed a Garmur into a Thrasher because I was shitfaced and flying after midnight. I just responded by shouting ā€œwitness meā€ instead of crying on the forums because I understood that fighting entails dying. And naturally all three enemies responded with ā€œwitnessedā€. > [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](#): > > That would get me to resign up in a heartbeat! If EVE ONLINE thinks I will moving into Low Security or worse providing cheap easy kills forcing me to buy plex to replace my ships. They are nuts! Thatā€™s an interesting perspective on Lowsec which I, as someone who spends the majority of his game time there, donā€™t really share. Never turned PLEX into ISK and I get by just fine off of FW LP and the loot from the wrecks of my enemies. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I guess I just proved myself right by looking and finding nothing. Werenā€™t you also one of the people who claimed the Triglavian Invasions were good for EVE back in 2020? Because none of the people who made that claim brought any evidence to the table. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Losers complain endlessly. > > Feedback from a happy customer is more useful. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/8/7/b878e486c9ab642ed8f57b43b568075f7d2207e2.jpeg "El Dorado - Both is good") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSCGoefBO7Q) > [@bluelysian](#): > > What is that mean ? Means when the game was hard to learn. > [@bluelysian](#): > > What is wrong with @Aiko_Danuja ā€˜s comment that ā€œ DISTURBED COMMUNITY ā€œ ? 1, telling another person that their opinions are invalid because you have reached the subjective opinion that they are a [insert negative buzzword] 2, effectively telling them to quit the game. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Do other games suffer from this? Do people feel the need to fill the forums and such of other games with attention seeking gurns? There are always people crying about something, somewhere. That does not mean that all of it is without merit. > [@bluelysian](#): > > For EvE majority of the players doesnā€™ t active in forums. > It was last year i sugested to CCP to link EvE Online Forums to Rookie Help channel MOTD . > I have met so many new players who doesnt know this place exist ā€¦ And people who did not habited to use these type of platforms will not seek for it neither habited to use it . Because outside of the Intergalactic Summit subforum, and that one thread for frigate PVP enthusiasts there is really nothing of value here. > [@bluelysian](#): > > what kind of research also ? I assume they meant looking up youtube videos to learn how to do the thing they need to do, or asking questions in the Rookie Help channel. Personally I had to learn from the FW players I grew up alongside, and by fighting the opposing force. > [@EM00](#): > > When people speak up CCP can see that people are unhappy and why. It opens a chance that there will be improvements to the game. But if everyone stays quiet it takes away that chance. Well said. > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > We need more people who want to play EvE because of its nature. The nature of EVE changes radically depending on whether you are in Highsec, FW Lowsec, Nullsec, wormhole space or Pochven, so there is no objective vision. If people were willing and able to fight theyā€™d have dropped down from High to Low to give me a good fight. High is supposed to be for newbros and people whose IRL schedule doesnā€™t allow them to commit to the other aspects of the game. > [@Pan\_Dora1](#): > > Just imagine an ad which depicting the protagonist describing his fighting experience with images of his combat and ending with him being obliterated by a superior enemy force. Having been there, yeah, itā€™s quite a thing. My first campaign was the Floseswin war, when House Sarum decided to enslave the population of the 4th planet in the system. I had no reason to suspect that we would ever lose our staging structure, or that the Amarrian playerbase was even capable of making local spike up to 400. When it was over I stayed on grid to watch the structure blow up because it was so unnatural after watching our side whip their butts without losing ships for so long. Granted they still failed to take the system before the Republic ground forces wiped out the Amarrian ground forces, in part due to the insane hours people put in to delay the loss of system control. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Or a short EvE documentary genre ā€œWildlifeā€, narrated by sir David Attenborough. > Scene 1 : an asteroid belt with a lone miner. > "_Here we see a young miner, barely hatched from the clone bay. He has ventured far away from the safety of his nest, the home station where he was born, into the seemingly empty vastness of outer space. Heā€™s hoping to find some riches among the many asteroids that dot this solar system. Little does he know that he has stumbled into a dangerous part of space, and that his every move is being watched, by human hunters invisible to scanner and probe. They too are out seeking whatever they can grab to make a living, and will kill whatever stands in their way to their next small profit._ > etc. > (we all know how this will progress) Bro Iā€™d watch it just for the narration. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/177 "2021-09-28T15:13:32Z")
> [@Jesoph\_Swolin](#): > > I see no reason why people would have victory just because of numbers Thats a pretty disingenuous reply for many reasons. Not least of which is your (assumed) level of experience and ship choice. If you can show us you beating multiple opponents in a freighter or mining barge, youll be on topic. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/178 "2021-09-28T15:17:26Z")
Imagine being a company with only a single product in the portfolio. The rest follows from there šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Jesoph\_Swolin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesoph_swolin/32/383423_2.png) [@Jesoph\_Swolin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesoph_Swolin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/179 "2021-09-28T15:30:42Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Thats a pretty disingenuous reply for many reasons. Not least of which is your (assumed) level of experience and ship choice. > > If you can show us you beating multiple opponents in a freighter or mining barge, youll be on topic. Nah itā€™s perfectly genuine. Iā€™m not opposed to outnumbered fights. Though what you say about freighters and barges is true. But that would involve me going to highsec which I am not willing to do. The logic error is that you assume that they believed they could win, when in reality they never viewed themselves as a combatant on account of what Sec they were flying in and what they were flying. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/180 "2021-09-28T15:41:51Z")
Huh. Ok thats pretty fair. Objection withdrawn. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/181 "2021-09-28T17:30:56Z")
You can shoot at whatever you want to and it doesnā€™t bother me a bit. We didnā€™t have ventures back then, so I was either in a frigate or corvette. I think a corvette. I had ample time to escape with my ship, and I could have saved my pod, but I didnā€™t. I learned I had made assumptions about the way people play that were not true and all it cost me was a cheap (or free) ship and an empty pod. Had I NOT been shot, I could have lost a lot more to learn this lesson than I did. Even if you are magnanimous enough to leave me be, it would definitely behoove me not to expect people to follow that example when I encounter them. ---
**Author:** ![Tarsas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tarsas/32/289693_2.png) [@Tarsas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tarsas)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/182 "2021-09-28T18:31:05Z")
" You know damn well that it is far more likely that we will ask if we can have your stuff.ā€™" R O F L - so true! ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/183 "2021-09-28T20:29:26Z")
> [@Jesoph\_Swolin](#): > > The nature of EVE changes radically depending on whether you are in Highsec, FW Lowsec, Nullsec, wormhole space or Pochven, so there is no objective vision. I disagree. The competitive, unforgiving but rewarding nature of EvE is part of all spaces. People get ripped off and ganked in highsec if they donā€™t care, and highsec is still the best place to get rich. The markets are there. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/184 "2021-09-28T20:50:45Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > highsec is still the best place to get rich. The markets are there. Not to mention if you are lazy you can just double your ISK in Jita local. šŸ˜‰ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893.md?page=10)