# For The old Guys Out there, I mean toons over 10 years old **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 15, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789 "2023-02-15T23:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/44 "2023-02-17T02:34:15Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > If both CCP and we don’t do silly things, there’s no reason to not have a third or fourth decade of Eve. CCP did some really silly ■■■■. Those new bros were actually who got nerfed in all this. @Krig_Povelli is still suspect baiting his ass off… except now he has specialized his fleet in purely solo play and subsequently has no use in training or recruiting new players. He’d be training his competition. Nerfing logi out of HS didn’t change Krigs success rate. Carebears think “well if you just nerf this one thing we can fight back” without realizing just HOW specialized these players are. They know if they can kill you or not, and if they can’t they simply move on to another target they can kill. You’re still not killing them, the established baiters are still successful. The REAL problem is there is no longer a path for the newbro to get to where Krig is. Even if they RMT (a roughly 40-50bil PvP setup) they’d have to get Krig himself to train them because he’s using mechanics/fits/tricks that you cant just search for on Google. You have to learn from the guys doing it. Except, they’re no longer in the business of retaining new players. Not to mention there’s only about 10 of them left (career baiters I mean not just your average Joe. Folks paying multiple subs JUST baiting). ---
**Author:** ![HiltoftheDragons](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hiltofthedragons/32/355230_2.png) [@HiltoftheDragons](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/HiltoftheDragons)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/45 "2023-02-17T02:45:30Z")
Been here since late trinity or early emperian age…really dont remember when i got here. I havent done much of anything except run missions, participate in mining fleets, and a bit of industry. Ive been away for a very long time…so maybe my opinion wont count here. However, no matter how bad it gets…EVE will forever hold a special place in my heart. Ive put a ton of time in this game and i regret none of it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/46 "2023-02-17T06:08:23Z")
Crazy person on the internet is your mom . Now stop twisting people’s words. ---
**Author:** ![Gelf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gelf/32/462608_2.png) [@Gelf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gelf)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/49 "2023-02-17T06:30:02Z")
Someone at some point had to figure out those mechanics. To say that someone else couldn’t figure them out is not a rational conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Kaerin\_Urisa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaerin_urisa/32/401925_2.png) [@Kaerin\_Urisa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaerin_Urisa)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/50 "2023-02-17T07:04:54Z")
lmao calm down ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/51 "2023-02-17T09:07:04Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Absolute nonsense. The best players in the game are lowsec frigate pilots, wormhole Herons, and Highsec gankers, not drooling carebear titans. I typed many words in my replies. But I did not claim this or that was “BEST”, nor compared any “value”. If you know my posting history you know that I at least was never prejudiced about any play style - I will leave that to others… P.S. recombining parts of my sentences to suggest a completely different meaning, I thought that would be below you. ---
**Author:** ![Wysoutte\_Arft\_Abre-Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wysoutte_arft_abre-kai/32/389401_2.png) [@Wysoutte\_Arft\_Abre-Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wysoutte_Arft_Abre-Kai)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/52 "2023-02-17T10:16:38Z")
WOW Someone got out of his mommy’s basement on the wrong side. :P:P:P ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/53 "2023-02-17T10:24:57Z")
Are you projecting yourself ? Go and make more alts to post with . ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/55 "2023-02-17T10:54:28Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/1/7/01787c73194db14efbd5d54835c41c984a4c6048.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/56 "2023-02-17T10:59:53Z")
I thought you would never ask … I am fine , thank you ! ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/57 "2023-02-17T13:37:38Z")
You kids, get off my lawn! Where’s my Geritol? ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/58 "2023-02-17T14:02:49Z")
> [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](#): > > Let me see… what are the statistics ? Less than 5 % of your PhDs are actually americans. That’s because American universities are the best - we educate the world. Why can’t you train them in Europe (or Asia)? Why do they choose the US? The schools are here and the jobs are here. The CPU you are using along with those of every other user in this game was developed and manufactured about 15 miles from where I’m typing. This month’s wine shipment from Napa arrived yesterday and I’m going skiing in a few hours. What a country. ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/59 "2023-02-17T14:11:01Z")
> [@Hans\_Devin](#): > > Why can’t you train them in Europe (or Asia)? Why do they choose the US? Simple, better payment ! That combined also with the fact that generally there are better facilities for them to do research . It’s not about if you “educate” them better or not. Each country has it’s own rotten apples… it’s own problems . If we get into details, next year by this time , we would still find ourselves posting in here. ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/60 "2023-02-17T14:15:11Z")
So it’s not because Americans are stupid? It’s merely because the pay is better? We have an expression: “How you going to keep them down on the farm?” And if you know anything about this picture there’s an irony there too rich for words. Hint: this is where Silicon Valley started. ![stanford](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/2/e/d2e76afc4a33926df67cff53c319301d0d3e73a6.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/61 "2023-02-17T14:26:58Z")
> [@Hans\_Devin](#): > > So it’s not because Americans are stupid? It’s merely because the pay is better? Then why not take those positions then ? Why does it have to be mostly europeans and asians ? We could get into a debate that education is expensive there , but nevertheless it’s also expensive in Europe too … I was in UK once for a job and someone there accussed me for “stealing their jobs” . I asked him why don’t they fill in those vacant places ? There was no response… As for the “stupid” part , I was in a heavily focused US group in this game for about 2 years and I made friends there. Most of them were saying things that they “hate” their country and people . I asked why ? The answer that I got: " It’s because they are stupid. " For which I told them that is the same here where I live. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/62 "2023-02-18T12:49:21Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > With all due respect, this is _exactly_ the narrative pushed by engorged null-sec coalitions (like yours!) so that their members have a steady stream of smaller, weaker groups to feed them kills You consistently omit one of the primary aspects of Eve…that _most_ of us have ‘been there’ when it comes to being cannon fodder for gankers, corporations, or whatever. We’ve all had this rite of passage…so what is unfair about it ? Every senior alliance person was once a lowly noob being used and abused by someone. _Most_ of us have been ganked as noobs, or used as cannon fodder in some corp battles. It is not something that is wrong with the game…it is how the game works. It is how people gain the experience to become those senior alliance members. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/63 "2023-02-18T13:56:54Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > I’ve asked this before in other threads, in the vain hope that someone from CCP will give the answer: what do **they** think was the reason for the relatively large influx of players in the 2010-2013 period. Just as a side note, the “large influx of players” was actually 2006-early 2010. By later in 2010, the cracks in EVE’s development process were beginning to show, and the most effective devs were already bailing. 2010-2014 is the period where CCP was somewhat blinded by their previous success and began to really lose touch with EVE and the playerbase, because they had set their sights on two things: - “The next big thing” - whatever Hilmar or the management team thought would “broaden” CCPs success. World of Darkness, new games, new acquisitions, etc. - Funneling EVE players toward being nullsec F1-monkeys and corporate clones, because that’s where the metrics showed the money and the big news articles came from. For a bit of retrospective on how things looked at the time (before even getting to the Summer of Rage in 2011), check: > **[EVE Evolved: Top EVE news stories of 2010](https://www.engadget.com/2010-12-26-eve-evolved-top-eve-news-stories-of-2010.html)** > > This was a big year for EVE Online, with the release of the Tyrannis expansion and some awesome news stories spreading across the internet like digital wildfire. The year was off to a good start in February with some epic political drama as GoonSwarm... ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/64 "2023-02-18T21:04:49Z")
You would think that after almost 20 yrs, CCP would look back in hindsight at what worked and what didn’t. Then attempt to fix the bugs in the content that didn’t work as expected and try to add more content that did. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/65 "2023-02-18T23:40:28Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Every senior alliance person was once a lowly noob being used and abused by someone I never was. I was born at the top of the CODE. hierarchy, and have no understanding of the little guy, nor any sympathy for the lowly pleb. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-the-old-guys-out-there-i-mean-toons-over-10-years-old/395789/66 "2023-02-19T00:21:13Z")
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