# For those who accuse CCP of Making Eve Online 'Pay to Win' **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 11, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197 "2019-07-11T17:42:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/61 "2019-07-12T15:11:36Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > In what way? > > So pointing out you wanting something changed, but continuing to use it in a way you feel is wrong is being rude? > > If you disagree with a thing, you probably shouldnt use it then, should you? > > Means you dont actually believe in what you are talking about. > Why would anyone be convinced to agree with you if you dont believe in your own message? Now you’re just playing… Seems to me you can’t stand the fact that there are people that would sub anyway even WITHOUT the learning boost… I mean what are you blaming me for? Subbing? Using the advantage? What should i do? become alpha? would that please you? I don’t get the meaning of your accuse… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/62 "2019-07-12T15:14:10Z")
Let me put it as simply as I can. You no want 2x training. But you use 2x training. Therefore; You don’t really want it removed, you are just stirring. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/63 "2019-07-12T15:16:01Z")
Really? I said multiple times now i wouldn’t mind if it would be gone. But as long as it live i have NO OTHER CHOICE than to have it. You cannot turn it off so again…WHAT IS YOUR ACCUSE? Surely i’m using it because there is no other way… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/64 "2019-07-12T15:17:20Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > But as long as it live i have NO OTHER CHOICE than to have it. Of course you do. Now, you can have the last word, so make it a good one, pls. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/65 "2019-07-12T15:18:03Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Of course you do. How in your world should i not using it if you cannot turn it off? Please enlighten me… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/66 "2019-07-12T15:19:55Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > You cannot turn it off so again Yes you can, stop paying a sub and the “2x bonus” is turned off. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/67 "2019-07-12T15:21:11Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Yes you can, stop paying a sub and the 2x bonus is turned off. -sigh- This is getting stupid… It’s over now… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/68 "2019-07-12T15:21:42Z")
How is stating the obvious stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/69 "2019-07-12T15:22:49Z")
He’s just lucky he’s noob-shielding in Uitra in a retriever right now. I mean, an Alpha in a Venture would make more than that situation is capable of making nearly anywhere else in the universe. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/70 "2019-07-12T15:26:47Z")
Yeah…nice method to prove your point… This is one of the reasons there cannot be too less casual in this game… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/71 "2019-07-12T15:33:06Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > This is one of the reasons there cannot be too less casual in this game… I’m not sure what this means, in fact I’m not sure that you know what it means either. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/72 "2019-07-12T15:34:09Z")
Because you’d have more noobs to hide behind? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/73 "2019-07-12T15:46:38Z")
I once heard a story about a guy, A guy that thought he could pay to win in EvE. He spent $10,000 +(in US equivalent) Undocked his prize ship fully purple to run missions on its maiden voyage. 30 minutes later a gang of 2 million ISK cats(or something similiar) probed him down and popped his multi-billion not so smart ass. His reaction was to whine and cry about how that was not fair and in WoW such things were impossible. Then he threatened to sue the players. Then he threatened to sue CCP Then we never heard of him anymore… EvE is not P2W, cause Darwinism will always take you to the cleaners if you believe that. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/74 "2019-07-12T15:48:20Z")
Reminded me of a song _Once there was a man,_ _Who had a little too much,_ _Time on his hands,_ _He never stopped to think,_ _That he was getting older._ _When his night came to an end,_ _He tried to grasp for his last friend,_ _And pretend,_ _That he could wish himself health,_ _On a four-leaf clover._ _He said is this the Return to Oz?_ _The grass is dead_ _The gold is brown_ _And the sky has claws._ _there’s a wind-up man_ _Walking round and round._ _What once was Emerald City’s_ _Now a Crystal Town_ ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/75 "2019-07-12T15:50:57Z")
[https://imperium.news/alod-go-back-wow/](https://imperium.news/alod-go-back-wow/) is a good example of people thinking that money can purchase a win condition in Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/76 "2019-07-12T16:15:07Z")
That sounds very much like the story i heard, $1300 in plex is a lot less than what i heard orignally. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/77 "2019-07-12T17:00:26Z")
There is no “2x bonus”. This is simple CCP’s marketing ■■■■■■■■ made up to not offend Alphas too much. In reality Omegas have 1x and Alphas have 0.5. For newcomers: when CCP implemented Alphas and Omegas they gave Omegas standard training speed and gave Alphas half of it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/78 "2019-07-12T17:01:53Z")
We already tried to tell Duro that, but he wasn’t interested. Too busy afking in a noob system. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/79 "2019-07-12T17:09:02Z")
> [@March\_rabbit](#): > > marketing ■■■■■■■■ True dat. But… This is Duro we’re dealing with here. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197/80 "2019-07-12T17:12:20Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Duro ![duro](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/9/6955698097cb8a94274ce9ac30c769912f3f0687.jpeg) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-those-who-accuse-ccp-of-making-eve-online-pay-to-win/174197.md?page=5)