# Force Auxiliary Balance Proposal **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** pvp, wormhole, ships\ **Created:** [July 18, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504 "2018-07-18T18:17:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rita\_Torres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rita_torres/32/46138_2.png) [@Rita\_Torres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rita_Torres)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/21 "2018-07-18T18:30:49Z")
stop messing with the game and fix things that are actually broken! its a capital logi ships its supposed to be over powered. wont be worth it if they cap out or rep less cap ships and supers and titans have millions of points to rep! ---
**Author:** ![Fred\_Gluon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fred_gluon/32/357092_2.png) [@Fred\_Gluon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fred_Gluon)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/22 "2018-07-18T18:31:06Z")
Cap stability? Please show me your fit. ---
**Author:** ![StainGuy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stainguy/32/21896_2.png) [@StainGuy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/StainGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/23 "2018-07-18T18:31:14Z")
Shield slaves when? This is HUUUUUUUUUUUGE nerf to shield supers … or at least let me armor tank my Hel (in a resonable way) ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/24 "2018-07-18T18:31:17Z")
Local rep is an issue for subcap fights where one side brings in a FAX or two. This is especially acute in WHs. ---
**Author:** ![Tamarr\_U\_tath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tamarr_u_tath/32/41060_2.png) [@Tamarr\_U\_tath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tamarr_U_tath)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/25 "2018-07-18T18:31:42Z")
1. Not much wrong with local tanked faxes at the moment 2. Ninazu is still trash 3. Apostle needs nerfed harder ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/26 "2018-07-18T18:32:10Z")
> [@John\_Selth](#): > > No one should care about WHs ever in balance updates. Always balance blob first then the rest just magically trickles down and works. When you focus minority up, everything just breaks I’m cool with a tweak to edge cases as long as it doesn’t meaningfully impact the bulk of use cases, and my understanding is that active rep FAX aren’t widely used outside of WHs. That being the case, I don’t see the problem. It’s not like balance changes occur on some sort of Mind Power Budget with a finite capacity. ---
**Author:** ![Rita\_Torres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rita_torres/32/46138_2.png) [@Rita\_Torres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rita_Torres)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/27 "2018-07-18T18:32:18Z")
low cost lol 1.4 bill for hull and 3.5 bill for fit ---
**Author:** ![Xunau\_Stormblessed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xunau_stormblessed/32/85574_2.png) [@Xunau\_Stormblessed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xunau_Stormblessed)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/28 "2018-07-18T18:33:02Z")
The only thing i would like to throw at this is the over the top changes that CCP has a tendancy to do. You like to take elevators rather than stairs. Instead of doing terrible things to all fax’s and swinging the entirety of your game, Take a couple of steps down some stairs, and give it some time to test. Not enough? Do a bit more. Rather than hitting everything at once, is it specific FAX that are problem children? If its a problem child, maybe nerfing the triage module is a bad idea because then you hurt things that werent ever a problem to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Yuki\_Domari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuki_domari/32/137917_2.png) [@Yuki\_Domari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuki_Domari)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/29 "2018-07-18T18:33:17Z")
Damm, you ever heard of minor tweaks? ---
**Author:** ![Titus\_Cole\_Dooley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/titus_cole_dooley/32/140270_2.png) [@Titus\_Cole\_Dooley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Titus_Cole_Dooley)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/30 "2018-07-18T18:33:44Z")
Just take them out of the game. Logi was a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Tellrim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tellrim/32/383732_2.png) [@Tellrim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tellrim)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/31 "2018-07-18T18:34:15Z")
Nerfing the Shield rep capacitor need is a mistake ---
**Author:** ![Cephei\_Kells](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cephei_kells/32/196759_2.png) [@Cephei\_Kells](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cephei_Kells)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/32 "2018-07-18T18:34:50Z")
fax ehp is also a major problem. ---
**Author:** ![Pandoralica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pandoralica/32/374133_2.png) [@Pandoralica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pandoralica)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/33 "2018-07-18T18:34:54Z")
Active FAX are very much a problem. Medium sized gangs/fleets have literally 0 chance of cracking a FAX in a reasonable amount of time. Content is lost cause people can’t engage groups with capital superiority. The fact that passive FAX blobbs are a problem doesn’t mean the active ones aren’t a problem too… ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/34 "2018-07-18T18:35:02Z")
> [@Tellrim](#): > > Nerfing the Shield rep capacitor need is a mistake That’s not a nerf - that’s a realignment to keep the cap requirements the same after the other nerfs. ---
**Author:** ![BlazingBunny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blazingbunny/32/507549_2.png) [@BlazingBunny](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BlazingBunny)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/35 "2018-07-18T18:36:40Z")
I would honestly like to see nerfs exclusive to the Hulls, not a blanket nerf on a module type. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Mittani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/le_mittani/32/20483_2.png) [@Le\_Mittani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Le_Mittani)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/36 "2018-07-18T18:36:58Z")
Everywhere but wormholes fax can be countered, its whs where this nerf was needed. Buffer faxes and 3200s are still the problem. At least this fixes tibrizzle test and tri thinking sheild is useable. ---
**Author:** ![Punky260](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/punky260/32/222050_2.png) [@Punky260](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Punky260)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/37 "2018-07-18T18:37:34Z")
I generally agree with the goals and the changes. Very good. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/38 "2018-07-18T18:38:10Z")
Yes, the cycle time increase. ---
**Author:** ![Pandoralica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pandoralica/32/374133_2.png) [@Pandoralica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pandoralica)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/40 "2018-07-18T18:38:28Z")
Long overdue! The guys in my fleets will be happy to know that my endless rants about FAXes are over (for now) and i can move on… to ranting about citadels and their defensive capabilities that deny everyone content all the time 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sirttas\_Healsword](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sirttas_healsword/32/85578_2.png) [@Sirttas\_Healsword](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sirttas_Healsword)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504/41 "2018-07-18T18:38:43Z")
I realy thik the problem isn’t fax but dreads Edit: by dreads I mean dreads need a buff [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/force-auxiliary-balance-proposal/90504.md?page=3)