# Forever cloacked and AFK **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [April 19, 2025, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676 "2025-04-19T21:03:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/266 "2025-06-21T18:25:51Z")
Why do you like them? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/267 "2025-06-21T18:27:04Z")
Because the sneaky gameplay is fun? Ambushing someone who thought they were invulnerable? The thrill of catching a Carrier? Surprising some gate campers who have been targeting our haulers and new players for an hour and killing them all? Is fun to me. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/268 "2025-06-21T18:27:27Z")
Its game breaking ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/269 "2025-06-21T18:28:19Z")
It doesn’t break the game, it’s a necessary part of the game. Null sec would be too safe if covert ships didn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/270 "2025-06-21T18:28:54Z")
Thats just your opinoin ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/271 "2025-06-21T18:29:41Z")
Yep. I value my own ‘opinoin’ more than whatever it is you have been saying on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/272 "2025-06-21T18:30:10Z")
I believe that is called ignorance ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/273 "2025-06-21T18:31:12Z")
No, it’s a sign that whatever you’ve been saying on the forums hasn’t been convincing me or telling me new things. There are opinions of others on this forum that I also value. Just not yours. If you want to share your opinion it helps to also try and convince people of why your opinion is a good one. Bring arguments. Good arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/274 "2025-06-21T18:31:26Z")
Its a sign you are ignorant ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/275 "2025-06-21T18:32:30Z")
Are you projecting again, Bakster? ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/276 "2025-06-21T18:33:06Z")
I am not projecting ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/277 "2025-06-21T18:35:48Z")
There is no counter to cloaky cynos. Change my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/278 "2025-06-21T18:37:07Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Because the sneaky gameplay is fun? > > Ambushing someone who thought they were invulnerable? > The thrill of catching a Carrier? > Surprising some gate campers who have been targeting our haulers and new players for an hour and killing them all? > > Is fun to me. Aren’t these the very reasons people do ganking? I see nothing wrong with that. Cynos are ganking for low and null. Seems resonable to me. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/279 "2025-06-21T18:38:08Z")
Maybe you are ignorant too? Probably ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/280 "2025-06-21T18:38:35Z")
Oh so there are other reasons people gank? I don’t think so. Prove me wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/281 "2025-06-21T18:41:23Z")
Null sec shouldn’t be constantly open to guerrilla attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/282 "2025-06-21T18:46:35Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Aren’t these the very reasons people do ganking? I see nothing wrong with that. Cynos are ganking for low and null. Seems resonable to me. It is. There’s nothing wrong with the basic idea of ganking or covert gameplay. The only problem is that AFK covert gameplay isn’t entirely well balanced, which in combination with multiboxing a fleet of semi-AFK cloaky cynos is hard to deal with when the intended counter of mobile observatories are lacking in a few ways: - the badly designed ESS deadspace allows cloakies to still be untouchable when decloaked by mobile observatories - mobile observatory cost at the moment is rather high compared to a cloaky cyno - game logs allow third party tools to warn the player to look at one of their dozen accounts when decloaked ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/283 "2025-06-21T18:47:21Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > Null sec shouldn’t be constantly open to guerrilla attacks. You can easily see them coming though if you pay attention. Local chat intel is powerful, too powerful. Use it. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/284 "2025-06-21T19:14:50Z")
So? Don’t fly anything you can’t afford to lose. Orcas get ganked because they can’t escape siege mode. It happens. People have lost Marauders for the same reason. Ships die all the time to gate camps. Go through and a tornado inst-locks you preventing cloaking and warp-off. That’s all considered fair play. Low security and null security aren’t supposed to be safe. A ship decloaks next to you and bumps your ship preventing warp-out as more ships warp in and destroy you. No counter play. Can’t attack the bumper or you’ll get destroyed by Concord. Can’t stay put or you’ll get destroyed by the gankers. This is Eve. Destruction happens. ---
**Author:** ![Tr4ficant\_Nuk3](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tr4ficant_nuk3/32/457934_2.png) [@Tr4ficant\_Nuk3](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tr4ficant_Nuk3)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/285 "2025-06-29T13:45:32Z")
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