# Forever cloacked and AFK **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [April 19, 2025, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676 "2025-04-19T21:03:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tr4ficant\_Nuk3](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tr4ficant_nuk3/32/457934_2.png) [@Tr4ficant\_Nuk3](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tr4ficant_Nuk3)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/70 "2025-04-21T07:21:06Z")
Better stay in your WH :)))) ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/71 "2025-04-21T08:23:58Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > which I think is still a big issue. It isn’t really as it makes not much of a difference whether you hear the warning sound of the chatlog app or the warning sound in your eve client. If you get decloaked on your target’s grid and are afk you’ll be dead. And I don’t agree that you should have no notification at all. that would be extremely unfair. you can’t demand a hunter have to stare at the client’s screen just to make sure the isk farmer does not have to do the same. But your suggestion of ESS changes is very good. I am against abuse of game mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Spyke\_Austrene](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spyke_austrene/32/448706_2.png) [@Spyke\_Austrene](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spyke_Austrene)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/72 "2025-04-21T08:45:37Z")
> [@Tr4ficant\_Nuk3](#): > > I am playing for over 20 years now, but i never saw in another game something like afk invulneralble in active game areas. Not true > **[Hiding - UOGuide, the Ultima Online Encyclopedia](https://www.uoguide.com/Hiding)** ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/73 "2025-04-21T09:19:19Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > If you get decloaked on your target’s grid and are afk you’ll be dead. Not even close. Okay, if you are a bad hunter, yes. Even a moderately skilled guy has enough range to get up the client after he hears the decloaking sound (or the notification from the log analyzing tool), notice what has happened and just warp away before he is combatscanned and tackled. > [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > And I don’t agree that you should have no notification at all. that would be extremely unfair. Does the “target” get an audio notification if the hunter decloaks right on top of him so he can react instantly to this new and dangerous situation? From my point of view you throw all the burden of “paying attention” on the ratter/miner alone, while the cloaky hunter should have it very convenient, being audio-alerted once he gets decloaked so he can leave the cloaked cynotackler minimized for a loooong time, just checking the local and the activity every now and then and just bring it up if needed. Which is exactly what they are doing: Making the locals and their possible reinforcements tired (which a human being simply cannot avoid) from paying attention for hours where nothing happens and then within a single moment the drop comes, the “hunters” make the kill and disappear before the response can even come in. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/74 "2025-04-21T10:19:31Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > or log off after seeing the beacon This is biggest issue in my opinion. Player can just warp to some far away spot and logout safely. 30 seconds won’t let anyone to probe him, there is no way. But worse than that, he doesn’t need to d this. He can just quit the game, yes cloak will be deactivated and he warps to safespot, but he will stay there less than minute, possibly those 30sec (never actually timed it myself) so again no chance to probe him. And you can go \*\*\*\* yourself especially now when you cannot recover it. Assuming of course that observatory doesn’t add some log off timer, never been in this situation so don’t know, but I don’t think so. And if this is the case, it should be added to the functionality. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/75 "2025-04-21T10:34:50Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Yeah thats some nice made up story. Unfortunately for you it’s just that. > [@Syzygium](#): > > So, after all things considered, I believe your idea to be > > - extremely unlikely to happen > - not having _any_ bad impact on the game even _if_ someone would do it So, “it won’t happen” and “if it happens it’s fine”. Right 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/76 "2025-04-21T10:44:36Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > So, “it won’t happen” and “if it happens it’s fine”. Right 🙂 You have problems with simple logic it seems. There are events that are very unlikely to happen and even if they happen, they are no problem in the larger scale of things. What is hard to understand about that? ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/77 "2025-04-21T11:00:55Z")
No I just see through your spam posting in this specific thread. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/78 "2025-04-21T11:01:18Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > And if this is the case, it should be added to the functionality. Not sure if this is nessessary. Yes, of course, a successful decloak could tag the cloaky with a log-off timer. However the goal of those suggestions isn’t to nessessary kill them easily, the goal is to “threaten” him in the same way he threatens the locals. To give them tools that forces him to be active. Really active. Paying attention. Reacting to decloaks, combatscans etc… Not just refeshing cloak stability once every 15 minutes or turning the volume up and recloak if he gets decloaked. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/79 "2025-04-21T11:02:28Z")
Thanks for nothing I suppose. I haven’t seen a single constructive argument from you so far. The only thing you did was sowing doubts and assuming bad intentions. Pretty hollow for someone accusing other people of “spamming”. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/80 "2025-04-21T13:27:21Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > This is biggest issue in my opinion. Player can just warp to some far away spot and logout safely. 30 seconds won’t let anyone to probe him, there is no way. But worse than that, he doesn’t need to d this. He can just quit the game, yes cloak will be deactivated and he warps to safespot, but he will stay there less than minute, possibly those 30sec (never actually timed it myself) so again no chance to probe him. And you can go \*\*\*\* yourself especially now when you cannot recover it. 30 seconds is indeed little but can be enough to probe someone. I’ve caught someone before who did that - some annoying spammer who would log in, spam local with some scam and close client every few hours. If you have probes out and are within dscan range already it is doable. > [@New\_toon\_10001](#): > > Just remove local from null and problem of afk cloakers is solved 🙂 I once semi-jokingly made the same argument! But we’ve seen what ‘blackout’ does to null and later on I came to realize that the balance issue is that the game cannot have both ‘no local’ and cynos in the same part of space. Null and low can easily turn a single character into a hundred via cynos. Pochven and wormhole space may not have local chat, but every player in a system has only limited points of entry: either star gates/wormholes that can be monitored or rolled, or filaments that put a hard limit to the amount of ships entering a system. Cynos have no such limits. It’s too easy to travel and hide a fleet if cynos can be used in no-local space. > [@Glenduil](#): > > Do cloaks really last forever in null sec? In high sec, there is a 15 minute timer on a cloak. That 15 minute timer is your cloak hardening timer. Non-hardened cloaks won’t automatically decloak, but can be decloaked by mobile observatories. Without such a thing you can still cloak indefinitely. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/81 "2025-04-21T13:51:33Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I’ve caught someone before who did that - some annoying spammer who would log in, spam local with some scam and close client every few hours. If you have probes out and are within dscan range already it is doable. Was he visible on dscan when spamming? Or how did you find him? What ship he used? The cloakers in null will have cov-ops which are much harder to probe down, of course I never tried with perfect skills and best implants, but still… I doubt it is physically possible to probe down a Pacifier who quits game… ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/82 "2025-04-21T15:59:39Z")
> [@Tr4ficant\_Nuk3](#): > > afk accounts that ruin the gameplay for most of those who are active Not a single killboard record in over 4 years isn’t exactly what I’d call ‘active’. And seriously, you are in _Brave_ Collective, or is being brave no longer a requirement ? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/83 "2025-04-22T00:25:46Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > 30 seconds is indeed little but can be enough to probe someone. My wife’s toon is specificity set up to find you. A frig in 2 sweeps. Suck in the probes, warp to 50 cloaked. Maneuver through the roid belt they thought they were safe in to within point blank range, I warp in as she warps out. Target dead. Pay attn to ds if you want to live anywhere in the game. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/84 "2025-04-22T00:35:37Z")
And I always enjoy getting flagged. That just means they have no intelligent response. 🧂🍿 and 🍻 everyone! ---
**Author:** ![DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichelle_geniale/32/450875_2.png) [@DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichelle_Geniale)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/85 "2025-04-22T00:41:57Z")
@Tr4ficant_Nuk3 Welcome to the community! 😀 I think it’s very cool that EVE has cloaking devices and the counters have already been mentioned. It’s all good. > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > 🧂🍿 and 🍻 everyone! Thanks, MB, but no salt for me, just butter 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/86 "2025-04-22T00:43:46Z")
I had to give up salt in rl at 50. In the forums! 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichelle_geniale/32/450875_2.png) [@DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichelle_Geniale)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/87 "2025-04-22T00:46:22Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I had to give up salt in rl at 50. I try to avoid salt as much as I can. It’s bad for my health. It’s also why I only fly in LowSec, so no salt for me in EVE too 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/88 "2025-04-22T01:00:50Z")
> [@DeMichelle\_Geniale](#): > > LowSec Never found a good group. Found WH salt to taste very well though! > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > I doubt it is physically possible to probe down a Pacifier who quits game… Now this should be a challenge for some with a ton of skill who still bothers to play. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichelle_geniale/32/450875_2.png) [@DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichelle_Geniale)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/89 "2025-04-22T01:20:04Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Never found a good group Not looking for one. I’m doing my own things, mainly learning the ropes, scanning, using D-Scan, some missions, some ratting, some visiting, bookmarking… Just dallying around in space being me. I like it that there’s always some danger, either from cloaked ships, a gate camp or other… Makes it feel like a real sci-fi movie where I’m the main character. I’m lost in an unknown part of the universe like Kathryn Janeway and I don’t know if I’ll ever see home again. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676.md?page=5)