# Forever cloacked and AFK **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [April 19, 2025, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676 "2025-04-19T21:03:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/90 "2025-04-22T04:42:35Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > I doubt it is physically possible to probe down a Pacifier who quits game… 100% possible to do. It requires a fair amount of player skill to pull it off, but it’s perfectly possible to do. With a well/max skilled probing character in a properly fit probing ship, it’ll take a max of three passes to nail them down. Punt a fast warping ship fit with a smartbomb and you can give them a timer, preventing the logoff. Implants are certainly very useful, but not essential. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/91 "2025-04-22T05:25:58Z")
Sov hubs need upgrades that are economically viable that prevents cloaking. And then an upgrade that prevents filaments, and then an upgrade that prevents wormholes from spawning. With all 3 upgrades thats the only way anyone with sov can be considered sovereign. Until then holding sov is just a meme. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/92 "2025-04-22T05:28:19Z")
There are other things that make sov awkward. For example ESS, But it is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/93 "2025-04-22T05:46:12Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > Until then holding sov is just a meme. Your posts are a meme. The mere suggestion to make null sec space without wormholes, without filaments and without cloaks is ridiculous. Do you want to play EVE in solo mode? Filaments, ESS, wormholes, these things have intentionally been added to increase the chance that **players interact** in this MMORPG. If you think these mechanics are awkward and wish to play a game where you can withdraw to a place where you can play without other people that can interfere with you there are many solo games you can play, even some cooperative games. Why not play one of those? ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/96 "2025-04-22T08:59:05Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > The mere suggestion to make null sec space without wormholes, without filaments and without cloaks is ridiculous. Do you want to play EVE in solo mode? Remember, he’s a posting sock puppet for a group that “allegedly” RMTs. What he wants is no one being able to enter their space without being detected so they can keep their farm on. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/98 "2025-04-22T09:51:50Z")
Cloaky droppers can roam low sec, NPC null,and null where people didn’t install anti-cloak upgrade. They can even roam systems with anti-cloak upgrades but not be AFK or escape gate camps easily. The lack of cloak also applies to the inhabitant. Even tho they dont need cloak as much! People who are against it just seem like pundits ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/99 "2025-04-22T09:58:11Z")
What will happen if null-sec became something players felt like they could own and use to make alot of ISK? I think some great wars will happen ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Drew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_drew/32/395254_2.png) [@ISD\_Drew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Drew)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/100 "2025-04-22T16:37:16Z")
moved to #EVE Technology and Research Center > Player Features & Ideas ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/101 "2025-04-22T17:26:43Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > Sov hubs need upgrades that are economically viable that prevents cloaking. And then an upgrade that prevents filaments, and then an upgrade that prevents wormholes from spawning. With all 3 upgrades thats the only way anyone with sov can be considered sovereign. > > Until then holding sov is just a meme. So… you want to just go to High Sec then. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/102 "2025-04-22T18:36:43Z")
Seems like there is nothing wrong with players being able to create a high sec in null sec. In fact what is the point of null sec if they cant. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/103 "2025-04-23T02:35:36Z")
Consider the consequences of such impenetrable safety in null. The giant blue doughnut coalitions would be absolutely impossible to dislodge. The _only_ way to take space from such blocs would involve holding alliance director level treachery. Bloc level warfare is already a tricky affair that heavily favours the defenders. Even with tidi, the server hamsters can’t keep up when 4k+ space nerds all converge on a few systems. Your ill conceived idea would cement the large blobs in place and bloc scale wars, which are rare enough as it is, would never occur. Bloc line members would accrue ISK and resources at insane rates, building up immense supercap fleets that are completely safe from aggression inside their borders. Instead, those large blocs would continue to expand, gobbling up any plucky smaller groups trying to carve out their own little pocket of space. Yet another poorly conceived Bakster idea. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/104 "2025-04-23T07:58:12Z")
You are just a pundit that loves the status quo but lives in a worm whole ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/106 "2025-04-23T08:20:11Z")
And you’re just a troll that refuses to address legitimate criticism of your ill conceived notions. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/107 "2025-04-23T08:21:57Z")
Your criticisms are not legit. But to whom it might concern anti-cloaking upgrade is not going to be free. Ideally it would only be possible to do it on 50% of non-NPC null sec. But in reality null sec orgs will do it in fewer systems. There is also the thing where if safety is increased people will fly more blingy ships for mining and ratting. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/108 "2025-04-23T10:41:13Z")
Kindly explain how my criticism isn’t a legit concern of your idea? You want to make nullsec safer than hisec. I explain why I think that is a bad idea and give specific examples of how it will affect the game. How are my criticisms of your concept “not legit”? > [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > Ideally it would only be possible to do it on 50% of non-NPC null sec. But in reality null sec orgs will do it in fewer systems. this is not even remotely the parameters you imposed on your idea when you first floated it. In fact, you argued that such upgrades should be “economically viable”. Please define exactly what you mean by this. How much do you envisage such an iHub upgrade to cost? (iHub or whatever the current iteration of same is). What restrictions would be placed on installing said upgrade? Kindly be specific in your arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/109 "2025-04-23T11:06:48Z")
You act as if an anti-cloaking upgrade would make null sec impenetrable and you seem to take/make discussions personal ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/110 "2025-04-23T12:00:41Z")
I think he refers to the _combination_ of suggested upgrades: - inability to filament in - inability to open cynos - inability for wormholes to spawn - inability to cloak This ALL in combination would lead to a situation where a bloc/group only would need to camp the handful of entrances to a whole region with some instalockers and the whole region behind would be a 100% safe from any assaults or ambushes. The only way to break in would be another massive alliance fleet, which we would merely see once a year, if at all. Because that could escalate to a full scale alliance war, which neither side really wants. And that would _inevitably_ lead to Nullsec being a 100% safecrabbing area for like 24/7, 365d a year. The amount of wealth and assets generated there would be unimaginable, ten times worse than it already is. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/111 "2025-04-23T12:09:58Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > The only way to break in would be with a fleet which we would see all the time ftfy. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/112 "2025-04-23T13:12:32Z")
have you ever participated in a bloc level war? or even a bloc level skirmish? I have. Multiple times. It’s a prolonged, knock em down, drag em out blueballs “boredom as a weapon” endeavour. Your proposed combination of safety mechanisms would make any such endeavour pointless. Sure, you may have the occasional small scale fleet bust through the gatecamps, but a prolonged campaign with no cynos, no wormholes, no filaments and no cloaks?? Not gonna happen. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forever-cloacked-and-afk/483676/113 "2025-04-23T14:01:32Z")
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