# Formal complaint at Customs officers proceedings regarding attempted transfer of warclone blanks **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Tags:** pvp, planet-interaction\ **Created:** [March 24, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295 "2023-03-24T20:17:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/21 "2023-06-03T01:27:10Z")
Uh, in fairness to the war clones, Arrendis, I’ve watched Thal Vadam in action outside of training. It was … memorable. War clones aren’t regular troops, or even marines. I do think they’d be a problem in a boarding action, though not necessarily an insurmountable one. Definitely a problem, though. (I do not think this crop is headed our way probably. There are way more efficient ends to deploy war clones towards than trying to _very temporarily_ kill their pilot counterparts.) ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/22 "2023-06-03T01:28:33Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > 50 warclones vs 400 fleet marines + 3000 dudes with blasters who don’t wanna die, plus automated internal defenses? Yeah, I’m not gonna worry. Much more than that? You definitely would see them coming, and you should be blowing up the transports before they get _close_. Those marines+dudes+remote guns+wrenches stand no chance against warclones. They will not risk their lives to defend your stuff. They are not your slaves. They will run for the escape pods in the first place. And have you not red the news I’ve linked in earlier post regarding SARO _excelling_ in letting _rouge_ warclones escape? Or those guristas equipped with warclone tech now? Better keep out of Syndicate now. And why do you assume there will be 50 of them and not 500? 500 warclone blanks will cost just ~500mil (or nothing if stolen), compare it with the cost of your capital with crew onboard. > [@Arrendis](#): > > You definitely would see them coming, and you should be blowing up the transports before they get _close_. I am afraid you would not see the [pod incoming and bolting itself into your hull](https://www.youtube.com/embed/AXEo8v6MXGM?start=42&end=66&autoplay=1&mute=1&loop=1&controls=0&showinfo=0) notice the high maneuverability of that pod and its ability to go through your shields. > [@Arrendis](#): > > You get boarded, have your ship’s marines kill the warclones. They’ve still gotta get _back_ to your ship. It’s not like they just get back up from the dead, you know. About who kills who first, see above. Yes they can get back into your ship instantly. Under condition one of them will place [Drop Uplink](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dust514/images/c/c4/Drop_Uplink1.png) first. Your crew will not get fresh new bodies. They will. Unless your crewmembers are warclones themselves and you have your own warclone blanks in situ. > [@Arrendis](#): > > No, they cannot forcibly expel your pod. Void above, what idiot teaches you this nonsense? If it were possible to forcibly expel someone’s pod, it would be happening _all the damned time_ in null. You know how often it happens? _It doesn’t_ . Because you can’t do that. Warclone mercs who entered your ship through service hatch in the hull could. Because there was no other warclones onboard your ship to stop it from happening. I would not relay on all those safety measures now while capsule technology is no longer a tightly guarded secret. You can always initiate self-destruct but maybe that 2 minutes of wait time will be too much time for them to reach your pod causeway through that one particular armor plate (with their pod before you even know it) and kick you out to safely go boom. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/23 "2023-06-03T03:10:38Z")
> [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](#): > > They will not risk their lives to defend your stuff. They are not your slaves. They will run for the escape pods in the first place. A) They absolutely will, because they are paid quite well to do exactly that, and trained to do so as well. If you think your Marines _won’t_, then you should get better Marines. B) Nope. They’re not my slaves. They’re my highly-paid military professionals. The people who train and hire on to become Marines aboard ship? _That’s what they want to do_. And if they were, as you suggest, to simply ‘run for the escape pods’, they’d never work on any kind of ship, ever again. > [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](#): > > And have you not red the news I’ve linked in earlier post regarding SARO _excelling_ in letting _rouge_ warclones escape? I have _read_ quite a bit about _rogue_ warclones, but I _do_ appreciate the chromatic consistency in your misspellings. > [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](#): > > I am afraid you would not see the pod incoming and bolting itself into your hull notice the high maneuverability of that pod and its ability to go through your shields. Yeah, I notice the marketing video of _one warclone_ in a breaching capsule… shockingly, _that’s not how that works_. Here’s a few ways you know that’s just marketing nonsense: 1. Warclones don’t deploy one at a time to take a ship. You send them in numbers. Which means there’s either a cloud of tiny little 1-person pieces of debris, or there’s a larger breaching pod. 2. I know this one’s gonna blow your mind, but… _if they could do that with a breaching capsule, they could do that with a missile_. Think it through: if they had the tech to just pop right through shields to send a stupidly-expensive-per-unit warclone through the shields, they’d have the tech to just pop right through your shields with a hundred _much much cheaper_ heavy missiles or torpedoes. So, yeah, don’t believe everything you see on GalNet. So much of it is _utter lies_. > [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](#): > > Yes they can get back into your ship instantly. No, they don’t get back instantly. They have to redeploy. They do not teleport. Either the clone bodies are _already there where your guys can shoot them_, or they have to _get_ there. I don’t know what you’re smoking to think that warclones somehow have personal jump drive beacons, but please, don’t share it, it’s obviously _very_ damaging to your brain. > [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](#): > > Warclone mercs who entered your ship through service hatch in the hull could. No, they cannot. You clearly have no idea how your own ships work. They would have to _physically overpower_ the clamping systems that are designed to hold onto your pod _even in the event of a computer system failure_. There are physical locks that have to be released _by the pod_. > [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > War clones aren’t regular troops, or even marines. I do think they’d be a problem in a boarding action, though not necessarily an insurmountable one. They’d be a threat to be countered, sure, but warclone tech’s been out there for what now? 15 years almost? And we’ve heard about his nightmare scenario happening outside of marketing holos exactly 0 times? There’s a reason for that. ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/24 "2023-06-03T06:36:39Z")
I appreciate your _dont worry be happy_ attitude, no really. But its too little to convince me. I know first-hand what am talking about in regard of warclone technology and its capabilities. You may not believe it but I used warclone body and tech ten years ago - under different name. It took me a good while to adjust to a capsuleer body. And it’s apparently not quite there yet. So yes I am somehow handicapped if you must so bluntly point that out every time we engage in communication. But I don’t complaint every day is getting better, slowly. So eventually I will catch up with you. > [@Arrendis](#): > > I have _read_ quite a bit about _rogue_ warclones, but I _do_ appreciate the chromatic consistency in your misspellings. See above. You’ve got me again. How hilarious 🙂 > [@Arrendis](#): > > They do not teleport. Oh yes they do, and you have to _wear_ warclone body to withstand _side effects_: _“The drop uplink is a slave transponder, a short-range tether that produces the precise spatial coordinates necessary to generate a localized wormhole, traversal of which allows the user to travel short distances instantly. Highly experimental, the process is excruciatingly painful and exposes organic tissue to excessive radiation, resulting in accelerated cellular decay and, ultimately, death.”_ If you care to get more info about some technology used just 10 years ago by warclones, [here](https://dust514.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Equipment) is more info. The data-core seems a little corrupted and there are some strange artifacts here and there (like in that _commercial_ cough, cough - actually it was a training footage) but otherwise you could tell one thing from another. > [@Arrendis](#): > > They’d be a threat to be countered, sure, but warclone tech’s been out there for what now? 15 years almost? And we’ve heard about his nightmare scenario happening outside of marketing holos exactly 0 times? The reason why this tech is not widespread is explained in the first article I had linked in my opening post. People go crazy if not properly prepared to use this tech. The drop out ratio during training was staggering. And 10 years is **a lot** time for improving any technology when nobody watches your hands. One should always prefer the probable impossible to the improbable possible. If you think otherwise don’t waste your time trying to convince me. I am stubborn. ---
**Author:** ![Auriga\_Menkali](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auriga_menkali/32/392662_2.png) [@Auriga\_Menkali](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auriga_Menkali)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/25 "2023-06-03T09:46:33Z")
> [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](#): > > Better keep out of Syndicate now. Just to say, Syndicate is perfectly safe and an excellent place to do business. If you invest in planetary industry, I would be happy to talk you through some local options. We even allow Warclone security detachments. ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/26 "2023-06-03T10:24:25Z")
Thanks for an invitation. I will give it a thought. I am 8 jumps away from _PF-346_. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2023, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/27 "2023-06-04T13:42:48Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > There’s a reason for that. My guess is it’s the same reason Sansha’s Nation hasn’t taken to mass-launch of breaching pods full of True Slaves with manpack antimatter charges as anti-egger protocol. (It’d be way less costly than throwing waves of ships at us, tbh.) Getting inside to begin with. If internal security were the main issue the answer (for the sufficiently ruthless) becomes “just get a bomb in there.” So it’s pretty likely they can’t, at least right now. When they figure out a countermeasure to our countermeasures (like, a way to get inside without fatally damaging the structure), that’s most likely when boarding will become a thing. I mean, it’s a tactic as old as naval warfare, so it’s probably not like everybody just forgot. . . . ---
**Author:** ![Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kitaula_kuusa_jouhinen/32/498716_2.png) [@Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kitaula_Kuusa_Jouhinen)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/28 "2023-06-05T04:37:20Z")
I’ll just point out that the Guristas have been infesting Placid for a good while now. Their FoBs have been littering the area like roach dens for a few years, and they’re getting more brazen. And Freddie forces have really struggled to root them out. Not even capsuleers aligned with the Fed are doing much about them. We’ve had our own issues with the bastards around the Serpent’s Coil, among other places. ---
**Author:** ![Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kitaula_kuusa_jouhinen/32/498716_2.png) [@Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kitaula_Kuusa_Jouhinen)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/29 "2023-06-07T09:55:38Z")
As if on que: Federation Navy Testing Facility in Chardalane Damaged in Raid by Large Force of Guristas Pirates > **[Riots in Caille as Controversial “United Response Act” Passed](https://universe.eveonline.com/new-eden-news/riots-in-caille-as-controversial-united-response-act-passed)** > > Riots in Caille as Controversial “United Response Act” Passed Luminaire, Essence – Riots broke out in Caille today, as protests against controversial new government legislation were held across the Federation. An estimated ten million protestors... I wonder if the Fed police are ever going to pull their heads out of their asses and go after _actual_ pirates, instead of harassing innocent travelers and honest corporations. ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/30 "2023-06-14T19:58:05Z")
Another batch of todays news covering _non existent threat_ of possibility of rogue warclones operating on planets surface: [_ **News In Brief** _](https://universe.eveonline.com/new-eden-news/federation-senator-charged-with-conspiracy-to-commit-acts-of-terrorism#news-in-brief) > - Federation Navy Imposes Blockade on Planets in Eugales System Using Low Orbit Defense Satellites > - SARO and DERAIL Units Evacuate from Eugales Under Federal Marines Escort as Black Eagles Anti-Warclone Units Deploy > - Drone Footage from Surface of Eugales IV Indicates “Massive Damage to Subsurface Arcology” in Antimatter Blast Zone > - President Celes Aguard Pledges to Stabilize Eugales Planetary and Orbital Situation as Senate Ratifies Martial Law > - State Peacekeepers Broadcast Message to Eugales Colonies Condemning “Gallente Recklessness” as Kirkinen Risk Control Withdraws Yes indeed, move along, nothing to see here… I wonder if that caldari warclone tech _stolen_ by Guristats in Syndicate, ended up in Eugales, 3 jumps away from PF-346 in Syndicate? To spice things up I was recently contacted by some shady group asking me if I enjoyed my time as a warclone. Well, hell I did. ---
**Author:** ![Gies\_Brezia-Actusmargo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gies_brezia-actusmargo/32/404835_2.png) [@Gies\_Brezia-Actusmargo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gies_Brezia-Actusmargo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/31 "2023-06-14T20:44:27Z")
This may perhaps shock you, Mr. en Divalone, that there are multiple factions and subtypes of warclones operating in a multitude of places, capacities, and ranges. In particular however you may also note that, CONCORD DERAIL and SARO engaged in aggressive action _unprovoked_ and as such, the defending entities and groups within Eugales made every effort to halt and engage them in turn. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/32 "2023-06-16T13:53:26Z")
Further proof that the cats out the bag and more entities need to start investing in Anti-Warclone Capabilities. ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/33 "2023-06-16T14:19:00Z")
The most basic move for us capsuleers, is to use our finacial power and start stockpiling/buying-off off market all listed warclone blanks. Without an easy acces to new bodies all operating warclones will have to think twice before doing something unreversible. Warclones bodies last for 5 years only when they go disconnected from mobile command centers. So if 10 years has passed from the end of their New Eden widespread they had to procure new bodies at least once. And now the second time has come. There was a massive volume move of warclone blanks on the market at the end of October. The number was +360k pieces. I wonder where did it go? I managed to buy-off +20k pieces within last three months. ---
**Author:** ![Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lauralite_anne_brezia/32/380065_2.png) [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lauralite_Anne_Brezia)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/34 "2023-06-16T16:22:57Z")
You… realize that the public markets are not the only source of blanks, and that they can be produced reasonably in private centers, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/35 "2023-06-16T19:14:56Z")
Yes, that’s what my _formal complaint_ was about in the begining - since WE can’t officially (legally) produce our own warclone blanks (just in case and to be prepared for the inevitable) I wanted to stuff my planet factories with them. And I was showed the finger by those stupid clerks. So I started factory schematic research to produce my own warclone blanks. Will keep you posted on it 🙂 My reasoning behind market buy-off of warclone blanks is rising the price. Those _private centers_ will have to adjust their own prices accordingly. Look up prices history between April and May. That was me. And it was just a warm up. ---
**Author:** ![Ambarr\_Dishwataah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ambarr_dishwataah/32/513625_2.png) [@Ambarr\_Dishwataah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ambarr_Dishwataah)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/36 "2023-06-17T02:04:56Z")
With all this fear of warclones and new rulings on AI, I wonder if we will see the emergence of androids. ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/37 "2023-06-23T18:31:06Z")
> [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](#): > > My reasoning behind market buy-off of warclone blanks is rising the price. Those _private centers_ will have to adjust their own prices accordingly. Look up prices history between April and May. That was me. And it was just a warm up. Thanks to that new software released recently to all capsuleers along the A.I.D. Act, I can now conduct my market operations regarding above paragraph more efficiently. ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/38 "2023-08-24T10:11:57Z")
> **[Threat of Hidden Jovian Stargates Controlled by Pirates Raised by SoCT...](https://universe.eveonline.com/new-eden-news/threat-of-hidden-jovian-stargates-controlled-by-pirates-raised-by-soct#intelligence-gathered-on-the-deathless-circle)** > > Above: data from the Deathless Circle may be key to discovering pirate intentions Threat of Hidden Jovian Stargates Controlled by Pirates Raised by SoCT Address to CONCORD Assembly Yulai, Genesis – In a dramatic public address to the CONCORD... So… the fan is revving up even more and I wonder what will fall into it and how bad and omnipresent the smell will be 😕 Apparently nobody is prepared for what is coming and my R&D project for warclone blanks schematics has hit a major roadblock… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/39 "2023-08-26T21:16:47Z")
Not to put too fine a point on it but… _so_? I mean, the essence of this comes in two parts: #### Pirate organizations’ technological development is accelerating. Ok, and? Everyone’s technological development accelerates. That’s the nature of technological development—it’s accretionary. That’s how it works. #### Pirate organizations are working together and have access to their own stargates! … _and_? CONCORD’s had capsuleers hitting pirate / smuggler gates for _decades_ now… even in high-sec! And of course the cartels are working together. This isn’t new, _either_. Oh no, there’s a shadow-organization involved! Fifteen years ago, the _Guristas_ were ‘a shadowy organization’. Frankly, I’m surprised Venal isn’t absolutely _covered_ in Guristas-owned Ansiblex gates to let the Guristas make _more_ money off of capsuleers. Look, Matshi Raisch is generally a good egg, and he’s been willing to put his ass where his mouth was in the past, but if he wants to sound some kind of alarm here, he needs to be clear _why_ this should be alarming. What makes _Jovian_ gates so much more of a problem than the pirate gates that’ve been around forever? What about pirate tech acceleration is _actually_ a danger to more than just CONCORD’s monopoly on power? Between shipcasters and conduit drives small enough to fit into subcapital hulls, maybe it’s time to move away from the nonsense of one central power controlling the means of interstellar transportation. Sure, stargates for those who need them, but what’s wrong with highsec being full of industrial beacons? Are the empire afraid they’ll have to be wary of enemy Warqual invasion forces conduit-jumping in Deathventure fleets? Honestly, before anyone gets worked up over _anything_ beyond the chance at 50b ISK, Raisch needs to give us a lot more info on why this is a Bad Thing™. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2023, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295/40 "2023-08-27T15:03:41Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > What makes _Jovian_ gates so much more of a problem than the pirate gates that’ve been around forever? What about pirate tech acceleration is _actually_ a danger to more than just CONCORD’s monopoly on power? My guess, Arrendis, is that the problem is where the gates come from, and where they go. They’re Jove gates. They apparently access Jove space. If the cartels are excavating the ruins of Jove civilization (or, worse, seizing intact remnants), their threat level is about to spike alarmingly. I don’t expect them to just use all that stuff for home defense. Best-case you start seeing more toys like the Machariel (as well as further upgrades to the Machariel itself) based on recovered Jovian tech. Absolute worst case … well … imagine the carnage if like random asteroid belt patrols start showing up with blue overshields (and all that that implies). [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/formal-complaint-at-customs-officers-proceedings-regarding-attempted-transfer-of-warclone-blanks/400295.md?page=3)