# Former CCP Devs Craft New PC Game **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [June 5, 2024, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390 "2024-06-05T08:37:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/1 "2024-06-05T08:37:02Z")
‘Pax Dei’ is being touted as a sandbox MMO with a difference; or, perhaps, many differences. There’s an interesting taster article and review at PC Gamer, [here](https://www.pcgamer.com/games/mmo/pax-dei-is-an-exciting-social-sandbox-from-eve-alumni-where-you-can-be-a-medieval-monarch-pope-or-just-make-trousers-all-dayand-its-out-soon/). The bait (for me) was the mention of ‘CCP Alumni’ among the devs. I read the blurb but couldn’t find out who they were. Perhaps they’ll be a little less shy after the game enters Early Access on June 18th. The theme appears to be medieval (haven’t we enough of those already…?), but I’m very interested in what former CCP devs decided to do _differently_ once outside the design prison in which they’d been previously confined. Time will tell; but I bought-in anyway. Impulsive, I am. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonia\_Blissel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harmonia_blissel/32/420943_2.png) [@Harmonia\_Blissel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harmonia_Blissel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/2 "2024-06-05T09:57:28Z")
EvE Online in a medieval setting 🥱 ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/3 "2024-06-05T10:07:45Z")
Probably, Harmonia. One of the problems I have with EVE is the (as I see it) monotony of space visuals. There’s not a lot to see. The designers do their best with colours and textures, but in the end it is, after all, _space_. I should mention that I’ve played Star Citizen, Starfield, the X Series, Elite Dangerous - but none of them is quite like EVE. Sometimes I just want to play a game with, you know, landscapes, homes, shops, forges. It might be nice to have some aspects of EVE but in an earthbound setting. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonia\_Blissel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harmonia_blissel/32/420943_2.png) [@Harmonia\_Blissel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harmonia_Blissel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/4 "2024-06-05T10:24:10Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > One of the problems I have with EVE is the (as I see it) monotony of space visuals. There’s not a lot to see. The designers do their best with colours and textures, but in the end it is, after all, _space_ It can get boring to always be in an environment made out of space backdrop but I think the devs are doing their best to keep it interesting. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > the X Series, Elite Dangerous I have both those games. I got bored with X4 pretty quickly but somehow Elite manages to keep my attention. What do you think of Star Citizen? I don’t imagine I will ever play it. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Sometimes I just want to play a game with, you know, landscapes, homes, shops, forges. It might be nice to have some aspects of EVE but in an earthbound setting You might try Wurm Online. It has all of the things you mentioned and even PvP. Manor Lord may be another you could be interested in. Kinstrife looks promising but it hasn’t even hit Early Access yet. In terms of interesting medieval sandbox PvPs it’s rather been slim picking since, like, forever. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/5 "2024-06-05T10:31:20Z")
> [@Harmonia\_Blissel](#): > > EvE Online in a medieval setting They sure have all the buzzwords. Except the word “harsh”. That one was missing 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Harmonia\_Blissel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harmonia_blissel/32/420943_2.png) [@Harmonia\_Blissel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harmonia_Blissel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/6 "2024-06-05T10:32:59Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Except the word “harsh”. That one was missing Don’t fret, I’m sure the players will drive that point home 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/7 "2024-06-05T10:38:32Z")
I wouldn’t hold my breath for the next 4 years or so. The message from the (co)founders was that they attempted to re-imagine the MMO genre, not to iterate on the extra-ordinary features of EvE Online - which never was a mainstream game (hence not an option for present day development). ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/8 "2024-06-05T10:42:48Z")
> [@Harmonia\_Blissel](#): > > What do you think of Star Citizen? I keep going back to it. Also, I keep uninstalling it. It has improved greatly since I first played, but I still find it clunky (a bit like Starfield) to move around in. I don’t pay attention to comments about its being a scam. I paid my money and accepted that I wasn’t paying for a finished product. It’s not as if it was a closely guarded secret. So, SC is _good_ but maybe not _great_. See if you can find some actual gameplay on YouTube. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonia\_Blissel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harmonia_blissel/32/420943_2.png) [@Harmonia\_Blissel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harmonia_Blissel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/9 "2024-06-05T10:44:54Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > I wouldn’t hold my breath for the next 4 years Definitely. I’ve had more than my share of mediocre medieval-themed never-finished games. I think I rather need a breather. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > The message from the (co)founders was that they attempted to re-imagine the MMO genre One already needs a lot of imagination before being able to “re-imagine” anything and imagination doesn’t seem to be today’s devs forte. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/10 "2024-06-05T10:49:21Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > they attempted to re-imagine the MMO genre, not to iterate on the extra-ordinary features of EvE Online Yes, Wadiest, I do get that. I was pointing out that to ‘iterate on the extra-ordinary features of EVE Online’ might not be as attractive a proposition to these devs as ditching said features, now that they had left the company. It seems an ideal opportunity for them. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonia\_Blissel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harmonia_blissel/32/420943_2.png) [@Harmonia\_Blissel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harmonia_Blissel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/11 "2024-06-05T10:49:59Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > I paid my money and accepted that I wasn’t paying for a finished product I’m done buying Early-Access or Never-Finished games since 2020. If it isn’t 100% finished I’m not swiping that card. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/12 "2024-06-05T10:57:12Z")
> [@Harmonia\_Blissel](#): > > If it isn’t 100% finished I’m not swiping that card. I had that experience with Black Desert Online. I was one of the first to ‘invest’ in the game. It was a horrible experience. Now, it seems to be very popular, but I won’t go back there. Judging by some AAA games, none of them is 100% finished, whether at launch or even thereafter. As Wadiest pointed out, we have to wait years for them to appear. When they do, they still have bugs and glitches. EVE is no exception, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonia\_Blissel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harmonia_blissel/32/420943_2.png) [@Harmonia\_Blissel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harmonia_Blissel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/13 "2024-06-05T11:06:16Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > I had that experience with Black Desert Online. I was one of the first to ‘invest’ in the game. It was a horrible experience. Now, it seems to be very popular, but I won’t go back there I looked at literally _one_ pic of that game and went “nope”. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Judging by some AAA games, none of them is 100% finished, whether at launch or even thereafter. As Wadiest pointed out, we have to wait years for them to appear. When they do, they still have bugs and glitches I tend to stay away from AAA games. They’re usually hyped to the max ( with the help of gaming magazines for kickbacks ) to end up being no better and often worse than games from small studios. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > As Wadiest pointed out, we have to wait years for them to appear. When they do, they still have bugs and glitches I usually wait half a year before I buy a “finished” game, that gives the devs a chance to iron out all the kinks and gives me the chance to read players reviews. Bugs and glitches are to be expected, but not for years after release. That is unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/14 "2024-06-05T13:54:16Z")
Looks pretty good, I guess folks will buy/rent a horse and cart ingame to travel. Anyone know much about the Lore? ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/15 "2024-06-05T14:28:27Z")
The former Eve developers I could find: Reynir Hardarson, former CCP co-founder and creative director according to [Crunchbase](https://www.crunchbase.com/person/reynir-hardarson). Pétur Örn Þórarinsson, former CCP game design director according to [Polygon](https://www.polygon.com/23619214/pax-dei-mmo-preview-trailer-alpha-access-interview). ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/16 "2024-06-05T14:38:26Z")
Taking bets on free-to-play right off the bat, or free-to-play within the first year… ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/516996_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/17 "2024-06-05T15:14:35Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > One of the problems I have with EVE is the (as I see it) monotony of space visuals. There’s not a lot to see Let’s wait and see if EVE Vanguard will fill that void for you. It just barely started and what is there looks really promising imho. I personally have little time to play computer games 😔 …so investing what’s is left of my spare time in completely different product is too much burden for me as of now. I will stick with EVE:O …and EVE:V and see what will come out of it 🙂 The Pax Dei is 99.99% inspired by [Viva La Dirt League](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCchBatdUMZoMfJ3rIzgV84g) 😅 [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/0/c/70c63f6c707c2165179fff0133a9da08295075e4.jpeg "forgetting to level up a job...") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCWUiQbkIGE) ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/18 "2024-06-05T15:29:36Z")
> [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](#): > > I personally have little time to play computer games I understand your position, Elinore. I’m now retired (though not inactive), with minimal family commitments. I can play as much or as little as I wish. In fact, though, retirement has allowed other hobbies to blossom, so that I actually game less and in a more focussed way. I’m looking forward to Pax Dei. I’ve no great expectations of it, but am willing to give it a go. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/19 "2024-06-05T15:36:09Z")
Yes, QG, they’re a bit coy about the consumer side of the financing model. Maybe a one-time up-front payment will be enough to start them off, with a F2P version for those wishing to dip their toes in the waters. Subscriptions, though, are everywhere nowadays. One by one my perpetual licenses are being replaced with subscription services. A recent one doesn’t even allow monthly payments, only annual. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/516996_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390/20 "2024-06-05T15:45:05Z")
I still can’t imagine how will the completely player driven economy work. I might be a little not up to date but last I remember there were going to be no NPC quests - all money flow would be generated by player to player transactions. But no mention of currency - so lot’s of curencies or barter based economy?. As I was trying to wrap my head around that and think how that would work I again arrived at the conclusion that a lot of in-game time would be required from players for this to work as intended - I mean to generate enough of content. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/former-ccp-devs-craft-new-pc-game/451390.md?page=2)