# Forsaken Fortress – Coming 26 May **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Created:** [April 24, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219 "2020-04-24T16:15:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Edge\_Ferracene](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/edge_ferracene/32/200280_2.png) [@Edge\_Ferracene](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Edge_Ferracene)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/269 "2020-04-24T21:51:11Z")
Go ahead, enlighten meh… ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/270 "2020-04-24T21:51:37Z")
@CCP_Aurora please exclude them from wardecs needed, make them free for all in highsec! Please! ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/271 "2020-04-24T21:51:40Z")
> [@Edge\_Ferracene](#): > > Go ahead, enlighten meh… Guess. ---
**Author:** ![Edge\_Ferracene](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/edge_ferracene/32/200280_2.png) [@Edge\_Ferracene](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Edge_Ferracene)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/272 "2020-04-24T21:53:34Z")
Make your point or ignore my posts. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/273 "2020-04-24T21:54:34Z")
> [@Kilei\_Torsc](#): > > Because alot of players in those areas use the refineries and engineering structures for benefits that exceed what is available at NPC stations. And now maintaining them is going to be a second job. Especially if anything unexpected happens IRL. And no it’s not a “you have bigger problems than a video game” - it’s a multi-year built-up hobby and is becoming very-easily destroyed. > > CCP added in these citadels and structures to make it an option for players to “build their dreams” and now they are making them difficult to use the way players want them to. Maintaining many citadels is not a second job… it literally involves: opening structure browser on tab “my structures” and checking how much fuel is left - if less than 30d just bring 60K m3 of fuel, that is ~90days of service for single service module. Really, it is not hard. > [@Kilei\_Torsc](#): > > CCP added in these citadels and structures to make it an option for players to “build their dreams” and now they are making them difficult to use the way players want them to. Players can use them any way they want to - just gotta face consequences of having structures in abandoned state. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/274 "2020-04-24T21:56:28Z")
> [@Aernir\_Ridley](#): > > The players are still doing the Wrecking, CCP is just finally giving them the tools to do it. More like reasons to do so… before this change there was no reason to bash low power structure - nothing would drop, especially if it wasn’t fitted to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/275 "2020-04-24T21:58:27Z")
no reason ? I bashed many many hundreds of low power ones for the Code , but those timers lol they did kill my desire to kill more . if they had no timers back then so many more would have been removed from space. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/276 "2020-04-24T21:58:57Z")
Don’t leave your stuff all over the place in upwell structures, move it to actual stations? I mean, if it’s a place you go to more than once a week, you’ll see if it’s gone Low Power, right? It’ll spend 7 days that way before it becomes Abandoned. > [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > I’m stuck in the middle of outback Australia due to Covid 19 with patchy 3g internet and no computer. > > Seems my 15 and a half year Eve Career is coming to an abrupt end. a) Wasn’t it already? You’ve been loudly proclaiming that to be the case for the last 3 months at least. b) submit a petition and ask if they’ll move your stuff in H/L to NPC stations. Who knows, they might! ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/278 "2020-04-24T21:59:43Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > no reason ? I bashed many many hundreds of low power ones for the Code , but those timers lol they did kill my desire to kill more . if they had no timers back then so many more would have been removed from space. No reason other than to bash it… is not like you get any real loot from it (other than salvage). Powered citadels are different story - at least you will get fuel. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/279 "2020-04-24T22:02:04Z")
As I’ve said, I was holding out hope I might be able to return one day. I will try a support ticket, my luck for 2020 has to change sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/280 "2020-04-24T22:02:52Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Good riddance. A content-free attack post. Zero sympathy for RL commentary that accompanied the quoted remark. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/281 "2020-04-24T22:03:50Z")
> [@Aernir\_Ridley](#): > > And even if they could, then you use a cloaky-nully T3C and cyno in as fuel truck or an actual cyno for a JF. Exploration frigate, covert cyno and have black ops bridge blockade runners 😛 ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/282 "2020-04-24T22:06:51Z")
> [@Kalindian\_Aurgnet](#): > > I understand that … what about POCOs in highest owned by zombie corps? The only way to get rid of them right now is to declare war yes? You may be surprised to learn that many of these ‘zombie corps’ are not actually zombie corps… just shell corps for holding pocos. Mostly to keep standings separate from main corp. (has to do with the fact that poco taxes are not managed by ACL - they are managed with old style taxes/access controls based on standings) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/283 "2020-04-24T22:07:31Z")
Well, I’ll hold out hope for both of those things. Honestly, if people can’t login, CCP really _should_ let them petition to get their stuff moved—or restored. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/284 "2020-04-24T22:09:16Z")
> [@Kock\_Leong\_Ng](#): > > Hi, > > Personally I have concerns about no asset safety. > If I had commitments in real life and log in back a month later, and my structure got offline and destroyed and all my items in it lost due to no asset safety, I will surely quit the game forever. > > Although I am still new and have no structures yet You concern is understandable as I imagine most long-term players take breaks from time to time. If you anticipate yourself taking a break the best thing you could do is move any assets you care about out of any structures that you fear might become “abandoned”. In the event there’s an emergency or something terrible that happens and you’re unable to do so, I would assume you’d be stuck with the outcome but you likely have other more pressing issues than a video game. To be honest though CCP has a history of refunding people for their losses. I know I’ve had several players that I’ve ganked in Freighters get some or all of their stuff back when they petitioned the loss. CCP wants you as a customer so I’m sure there are some lengths they will go to in order to secure your business. I know the change seems pretty harsh, but it really is good for the overall health of the game. > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > @CCP_Aurora please exclude them from wardecs needed, make them free for all in highsec! Please! No! 🙂🙂 This is the mechanic we’ve been using since it’s been a thing to remove structures. Join us! > [@Arrendis](#): > > b) submit a petition and ask if they’ll move your stuff in H/L to NPC stations. Who knows, they might! I agree, CCP will probably do something like this. With all that’s going on around the world currently (granted there’s always SOMETHING going on), I’m sure CCP would help him out. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/285 "2020-04-24T22:11:05Z")
> [@Algathas](#): > > AFIK this is not possible. I believe that you can only sell to a remote buy order from a NPC station, otherwise you have to be in the citadel that the buy order is at. I could be wrong but as far as I can remember I have never once had a region wide buy order have any items sold to it in citadels other than the one the order was placed in. You can sell at station that has market service. I.E. citadel with market service will work just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/286 "2020-04-24T22:11:14Z")
of course offline cits dropped no loot , cough, sure no loot ever dropped so no need to shoot them 🙂 but they still got shot for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Inslander\_Wessette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inslander_wessette/32/252904_2.png) [@Inslander\_Wessette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inslander_Wessette)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/287 "2020-04-24T22:11:54Z")
Good Job ccp keep it up . Making risk reward system in a balanced way. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/288 "2020-04-24T22:15:29Z")
> [@Gah\_Matar](#): > > Someone please, I need a DPS bomber fit and 30 days skillplan for it. > > I need to kill all the structures! Simple oracle will do the job just fine… easier to train into and costs are comparable. ---
**Author:** ![Valimir\_Qintharous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valimir_qintharous/32/200286_2.png) [@Valimir\_Qintharous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valimir_Qintharous)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/289 "2020-04-24T22:16:25Z")
I totally agree that the 7 day timer is too short. Perhaps a two-phase abandonment cycle. After 14 days without fuel it goes into the current “Abandoned” state and if it hits 30 days since it was last fueled, all shields go down. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219.md?page=15)