# Forsaken Fortress – Coming 26 May **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Created:** [April 24, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219 "2020-04-24T16:15:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Aernir\_Ridley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aernir_ridley/32/339667_2.png) [@Aernir\_Ridley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aernir_Ridley)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/82 "2020-04-24T18:28:01Z")
That’s assuming you’re the sole owner and operator of the structure, and that there’s no one to trigger asset safety for you. In those cases you already run that risk in the current state of things. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/83 "2020-04-24T18:28:03Z")
These people that are taking a break are maintaining their structures completely alone without anyone elses help? and they can’t put stuff into asset safety before they go? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/84 "2020-04-24T18:28:51Z")
If you get hit by a car and can’t login: a) you have more to worry about than imaginary space-pixels. You got hit by a car. b) have someone you trust IRL login to your account page on the support website and put in a petition to have your stuff moved to asset safety _cuz you got hit by a car_. I’m sure CCP will understand. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/85 "2020-04-24T18:29:54Z")
> [@Diarmait\_Hannigan](#): > > Personally I think it would be cool if you could hack into abandoned structures and transfer ownership via several hacking sessions, not sure what that would look like in practice tho It’ll look like and abused for RMT, imo. ---
**Author:** ![Hun\_Tra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hun_tra/32/511052_2.png) [@Hun\_Tra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hun_Tra)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/86 "2020-04-24T18:29:55Z")
THIS IS AWESOME ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/87 "2020-04-24T18:30:07Z")
🔴 > [@Arrendis](#): > > If you’re going to take a break that’s that short, you’d be wasting pretty much the same amount of fuel just turning the services back _on_ . Turning it back on costs only 3 days, and if I don’t need a structure for 2 or 3 weeks because, for instance, I produced too much and need to sell stocks off first or because I have RL going on, you can save a lot of money. That’s not feasible any longer. ---
**Author:** ![Stevens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stevens/32/186556_2.png) [@Stevens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stevens)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/88 "2020-04-24T18:30:20Z")
> [@Aernir\_Ridley](#): > > That’s assuming you’re the sole owner and operator of the structure, and that there’s no one to trigger asset safety for you. In those cases you already run that risk in the current state of things. That does not make that assumption at all. As you can see I am part of TEST so my assets are reasonably safe. But if for some reason I am suddenly unable to login and TEST loses their space, I lose everything. No coming back to eve. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/89 "2020-04-24T18:30:39Z")
> [@Stevens](#): > > The same number as will benefit from this change. So… the overwhelming majority of players who live in massive nullblocs WILL NOT be impacted by this change, because those alliances will more than likely continue to fuel and operate their structures… Players who live out alone in nullsec, and for some reason don’t log back into the game for 30 days (until the patch hits) have either quit playing the game, or are aware of the dangers of just leaving unprotected assets out in space for such a long time. Players living in lowsec have the ability to just Asset Safety their ■■■■ into the same system. Wormholes aren’t changing since this has always been how it’s worked in wormholes (dead structures drop all loot and no asset safety). Iono, from my cursory examination, it seems like the overwhelming majority of players won’t be impacted by this at all. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/90 "2020-04-24T18:30:48Z")
> [@Stevens](#): > > they are now permanently cutting off any returning player that played in nullsec. Any returning player that played in nullsec probably already has a buttload of stuff in cits and stations all over the game, **or** they’re part of a group that’s been able to hold onto one patch of space for a significant number of years, and will probably continue being able to hold onto that space. For example? Anyone whose stuff is in 1dq? I don’t think they have to worry much. And again: anyone worried about it? 1. Login as alpha. 2. open ‘assets’ 3. right-click citadel names and send it all to asset safety. ---
**Author:** ![Aernir\_Ridley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aernir_ridley/32/339667_2.png) [@Aernir\_Ridley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aernir_Ridley)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/91 "2020-04-24T18:31:12Z")
They’re not though. Very very few nullsec powers are going to let their staging structures die in an abandoned state. In the vast majority of cases things will go to asset safety, except possibly with faction citadels which weren’t already unanchored (a concern that has already bought up) ---
**Author:** ![Stevens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stevens/32/186556_2.png) [@Stevens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stevens)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/92 "2020-04-24T18:31:26Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > If you get hit by a car and can’t login: > > a) you have more to worry about than imaginary space-pixels. You got hit by a car. > b) have someone you trust IRL login to your account page on the support website and put in a petition to have your stuff moved to asset safety _cuz you got hit by a car_. I’m sure CCP will understand. Cool so we are now encouraging EULA violations because of a stupid change. And yes at the time I have more important things to worry about which is why I can’t go rescue my assets. But months later when I come back after I now get to not play a game I have spent 15 years playing because someone blew up a station. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/93 "2020-04-24T18:32:14Z")
> [@Stevens](#): > > But months later when I come back after I now get to not play a game I have spent 15 years playing because someone blew up a station. If you’re leaving the game for that long, why don’t you just… asset safety your assets in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Stevens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stevens/32/186556_2.png) [@Stevens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stevens)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/94 "2020-04-24T18:32:29Z")
> [@Aernir\_Ridley](#): > > They’re not though. Very very few nullsec powers are going to let their staging structures die in an abandoned state. In the vast majority of cases things will go to asset safety, except possibly with faction citadels which weren’t already unanchored (a concern that has already bought up) If you think goons and test haven’t already figured out how to troll a station into abandoned state you might be under thinking this. But lets assume that, so now you don’t want to kill a station until its abandoned. ---
**Author:** ![Aernir\_Ridley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aernir_ridley/32/339667_2.png) [@Aernir\_Ridley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aernir_Ridley)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/95 "2020-04-24T18:32:31Z")
You lose your assets if TEST let’s their structures go low power to the abandoned state without manually triggering asset safety… which they wont. ---
**Author:** ![Stevens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stevens/32/186556_2.png) [@Stevens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stevens)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/96 "2020-04-24T18:33:06Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > > [@Stevens](#): > > > > But months later when I come back after I now get to not play a game I have spent 15 years playing because someone blew up a station. > > If you’re leaving the game for that long, why don’t you just… asset safety your assets in the first place? Did you miss the first part of this conversation? A sudden life change for any variety of reasons prevents moving my assets. ---
**Author:** ![Kilei\_Torsc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kilei_torsc/32/200248_2.png) [@Kilei\_Torsc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kilei_Torsc)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/97 "2020-04-24T18:33:13Z")
> Iono, from my cursory examination, it seems like the overwhelming majority of players won’t be impacted by this at all. I think you are underestimating the number of players in High/Low/Null who operate out of small corps or even who are running their own solo-corp. ---
**Author:** ![Stevens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stevens/32/186556_2.png) [@Stevens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stevens)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/98 "2020-04-24T18:33:20Z")
> [@Aernir\_Ridley](#): > > You lose your assets if TEST let’s their structures go low power to the abandoned state without manually triggering asset safety… which they wont. No one can trigger asset safety for me. ---
**Author:** ![Aernir\_Ridley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aernir_ridley/32/339667_2.png) [@Aernir\_Ridley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aernir_Ridley)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/99 "2020-04-24T18:33:32Z")
But the entity under attack always has the option of manually triggering asset safety in these circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Aernir\_Ridley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aernir_ridley/32/339667_2.png) [@Aernir\_Ridley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aernir_Ridley)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/100 "2020-04-24T18:33:57Z")
A station owner can manually trigger asset safety for everyone in the station. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219/101 "2020-04-24T18:34:28Z")
> [@Stevens](#): > > Cool so we are now encouraging EULA violations because of a stupid change. Once again: willing to bet CCP will be understanding if you were _hit by a freaking car_. > [@Stevens](#): > > If you think goons and test haven’t already figured out how to troll a station into abandoned state you might be under thinking this. If that’s happening to your _staging station_ (which is what he was talking about), then they’ve probably waited well over a year with you unable to interceptor or JF in/out. Because anyone who _ever_ has less than a year of fuel in their stager is insane. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forsaken-fortress-coming-26-may/235219.md?page=6)