# Forum Competition: What's your income? (Let's encourage the noobs) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 11, 2019, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819 "2019-12-11T09:26:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/21 "2019-12-11T16:52:34Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > If you don’t believe, I don’t really care. You’re nowhere near worth anything for me to care about your opinion, lmao I see you still havent come out of your null bunghole. Lol ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/22 "2019-12-11T16:58:47Z")
> [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](#): > > I’m fairly confident scoot has a few tn, it is really not that hard. He very well may. But he’s also certainly floated by TEST and refuses to come out of his carebear castle to actually display any of the bravado he really speaks of. Any dope can sit behind a wall of carriers and Rorq all day from work. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/23 "2019-12-11T17:04:46Z")
[![Imgur](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/f/1ff361a5568d121f8ff8e7e878f37809e6244a13.jpeg "Screenshot at 18:02:08.png") ](https://imgur.com/FTG2SBO) that’s on a farming alt. That’s over the 1010 minutes I farmed during last 30 days. So if you remove the 25% of “transfers” that’s actually 1b5 over 16.8 hours, so 89 M/h on raw isks from farming. of course this does not take LP nor loot into account. Another farming alt : [![Imgur](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/6/76b22a00e61948905e0785dd78524b471641fc3a.jpeg "Screenshot at 18:06:10.png") ](https://imgur.com/NoWKRNy) this one is 104M/h (I farm with several alts together) but in reality I’ve been playing with him than the other (There were moments I was watching movie, so only one alt, or one alt was talking with people in game or helping or doing tests etc.) The 1010 minutes for this month is the time I had at least one alt farming. If I look specifically at each toon, The first one had 896 minutes of farming and the second one, 970. But it’s just easier to take the whole value. Globally I evaluate the value of LP+ loot at 200M value for 100M value in bounties and agent, so I can easily multiply by 3 to have the net approximate value, per toon. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/24 "2019-12-11T17:09:09Z")
Anders, what’s your take on the “expenses”? I’m pretty sure since it is just a transactional record, its the same as if you added up all the Green (income) in your transactions, and all the red (expenses). What I’m not sure yet is if it duplicates or not, like the asset valuation on your character screen. Which polled assets at a different time from wallet. So you could end up with a double valuation. But to someone else’s taunt, that’s irrelevant. The transactional expenses should always be higher than transactional income because if you are profitable you should always be removing money from the transactional system. Otherwise you are reinvesting into a system that hasnt fully matured. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/25 "2019-12-11T17:19:03Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Anders, what’s your take on the “expenses”? I don’t understand your question. I give all the money from the toon to another one, so they almost always have 0 isk in wallet. and then I use this money to buy vanity items like plex. The remaining isks in the wallet is because yesterday I farmed 80minutes and I still had money remaining on the first one. On those toons the “expenses” is just meaningless. Also sometimes I just buy things for people, yesterday a friend lost his confessor so I repaid him a 200M one, I also sometimes give money away if I have too much farm from bounties. I mean, the whole “isk” from this page is irrelevant to me, just an indication on how much I gain - though actually I work other way, I only sell items so that I make 500M/h per toon. first alt [![Imgur](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/f/5/0f59c3513c58e6d7b5521b67caf4449a72c17bd8.png "Screenshot at 18:17:27.png") ](https://imgur.com/4vZeCdU) second alt [https://imgur.com/k5t7FOb](https://imgur.com/k5t7FOb) Also I have lots of vanity item or useless thing, 1st alt is worth 37B(remove the three subs that are in plex so -6b), 2nd alt is worth 68B, trader alt is worth 189B ; and none of them holds the most important(my bpo collection). ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/26 "2019-12-11T17:24:34Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I don’t understand your question. > I give all the money from the toon to another one, so they almost always have 0 isk in wallet. and then I use this money to buy vanity items like plex Someone challenged a greater expense over income represents a loss, but actually not in ththe case of this wallet feature. Which is merely transactional and doesnt account for anything done with the isk when transferred as an expense. That was my question to you. ---
**Author:** ![Sheldon\_d\_Albion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sheldon_d_albion/32/496108_2.png) [@Sheldon\_d\_Albion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sheldon_d_Albion)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/27 "2019-12-11T17:37:05Z")
That doesn’t mean anything, example from my wallet If you wait the next month after buying a lot of stuff , you’ll have a false picture of what you do ![wallet%20example](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/c/7cadebbde46a6ee177421f9aec4faef621b3843b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/28 "2019-12-11T17:43:07Z")
Does that really prove anything? The screenshot isn’t really specific. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/29 "2019-12-11T17:43:27Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Someone challenged a greater expense over income represents a loss Indeed it’s a net loss. Then what ? Do you play the game to bury the isks in a stash ? here is the highest real expenses (without contracts and taxes) [![Imgur](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/c/a/5ca2c791711f24bd9967f5cf1a346054978ab6c6.png "Screenshot at 18:39:34.png") ](https://imgur.com/ldIgP6g) 3900 plex for one month. Is that a loss ? I used like 1500 plex on skins, is that a loss ? 36 unstable webifier mutaplasmids. Is that a loss ? 2 vindicators, 6 raitarus. Is that a loss ? Do any of that means my activities are at loss ? > [@Sheldon\_d\_Albion](#): > > example from my wallet Give the B back !!! ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/30 "2019-12-11T17:44:32Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > > he’ll make 4 billion 'soon’™… > > Says the guy who doesnt understand how wallet calculates trade lol. My comment above stands. You claim things yet ask others for proof. I believe you, I just think it’s funny how you appear only to trust the others if they add proof. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/31 "2019-12-11T17:47:30Z")
My income is 100% insurance and SRP. It varies based on how fights go. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/32 "2019-12-11T18:07:32Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > If you don’t believe, I don’t really care. You’re nowhere near worth anything for me to care about your opinion, lmao You dont make this amount. Lets assume you did because i think if it is true i can pinpoint your alt. Assuming this is true, i am guessing you are either 1) an coalition executor, in which case the isk is not really yours as much as it is your organizations (and subsequently, your not making the isk, your organization is), or 2) your multiboxing hard, likely titan spam alts. With that being said i’d gather to guess your either 1) goon scum, or 2) your an alt of sort dragons. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/33 "2019-12-11T18:14:19Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > You dont make this amount. You know nothing. My personal total income is over 6B per day on average. And I am not good at all. And that’s without the farm. So far people claiming “it’s not possible to do this” are just ignorant of what you actually can do in Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/34 "2019-12-11T18:19:42Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > My personal total income is over 6B per day on average. And I am not good at all. And that’s without the farm As someone with 2.6 trillion isk, im not impressed, btw, at the height of my wallet, at 5.2 trillion. 6b a day is a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/35 "2019-12-11T18:36:56Z")
![exaggeration](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/3/93e86f82348c1a4e842f5d1c9424caa90fb3f8f4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/36 "2019-12-11T18:48:39Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > 3900 plex for one month. Is that a loss ? I used like 1500 plex on skins, is that a loss ? > 36 unstable webifier mutaplasmids. Is that a loss ? No this is my point exactly. Its a transactional expense. The game doesnt properly account for loss or gain. It merely tallies the transactions ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/37 "2019-12-11T18:49:36Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > As someone with 2.6 trillion isk, im not impressed, btw, at the height of my wallet, at 5.2 trillion. > 6b a day is a joke. Teach me oh God of electrical wallets. And if you just plex then to hell with you lol ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/38 "2019-12-11T18:51:01Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > 1. an coalition executor, in which case the isk is not really yours as much as it is your organizations (and subsequently, your not making the isk, your organization is Oh goodness. Are we in the presence of the dingbat TESTlord himself? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/39 "2019-12-11T18:55:37Z")
You can only obtain large amounts of isk in eve by market manipulation, or running a coalition / super alliance. Thats the secret. I did a report on this to my corp actually. In general most players in even will never pass 100b isk in wallet is not a super cap pilot, or two of the above. Most players are probably stuck in the 10-30b range. I’d really like to see ccp post some actual data on this. It’s be really interesting. They get close with the liquid isk metrics on monthly reports but a more detailed report would be interesting. You could obtain a decent amount from serious multiboxing with supers, or rorqs, but even then you probably wont see the trillions the two above get. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819/40 "2019-12-11T18:56:27Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Oh goodness. Are we in the presence of the dingbat TESTlord himself? Im a bob alt =/ I dislike test as much as goons, both are ultimately trash and the same organization. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forum-competition-whats-your-income-lets-encourage-the-noobs/205819.md?page=3)