# Foundation – New Quadrant starts soon! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [May 3, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027 "2021-05-03T15:00:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/42 "2021-05-03T17:54:41Z")
I spend a lot of time on Steam, and keep track of these things. I’ve been there even longer than I have been here. The public sentiment about the game is barely positive, and is currently sliding down. Almost every thread, review comment, and response to developer comments is negative. Maybe the Goons are just excited because the new NPC null-sec connections will allow them to build up their wallets to buy more Kestrels? I don’t know, I haven’t done the whole null-sec thing for over a decade. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/43 "2021-05-03T18:04:30Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Just because they are “mostly positive” doesn’t mean that they are very positive. And looking at the graph, negative reviews have increased a lot in recent years. Not everything is your INIT bubble of self-deceit, Brisky. Thanks for posting the graph that demonstrates what Destiny said was wrong. Mostly positive means “mostly positive” and the number of positive reviews dwarfs the number of negative ones. The numbers don’t lie. The game is pretty positively reviewed. And if you want to look at others, by all means. ![Screenshot 2021-05-03 135522](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/6/5/665a6d7c6e3bf646a1a34c0359a126452db4b93e.jpeg) ![Screenshot 2021-05-03 135656](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/a/6/9a63a3996156fe6962fefbd0581b7238b2325d42.jpeg) ![Screenshot 2021-05-03 135555](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/c/0/5c0eadd3cb581c48002e86d0ec95602e78a8d6a4.jpeg) > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I spend a lot of time on Steam, and keep track of these things. I’ve been there even longer than I have been here. The public sentiment about the game is barely positive, and is currently sliding down. Almost every thread, review comment, and response to developer comments is negative. > > Maybe the Goons are just excited because the new NPC null-sec connections will allow them to build up their wallets to buy more Kestrels? I don’t know, I haven’t done the whole null-sec thing for over a decade. If what you are saying is true, it would show up on the Steam ratings. Zhalyd put up the graph, and the number of negative views is far fewer than the positive ones, even recently. I don’t know what point you’re trying to make - the game is well reviewed by any standard. ---
**Author:** ![Paris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paris/32/262200_2.png) [@Paris](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paris)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/44 "2021-05-03T18:08:54Z")
The features haven’t been announced yet and people are already complaining… Keep your energy when there will be an actual list of change dammit ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/45 "2021-05-03T18:17:18Z")
> [@Paris](#): > > there will be an actual list of change You’re an optimistic fellow I see ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/46 "2021-05-03T18:19:04Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > The Caldari one is literaly Boomer and Adama from BSG! The Gallente is Baltar and Caprica, and the Minmatar looks like… Bruce Willis and Boomer? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/47 "2021-05-03T18:19:18Z")
LOL! He pasted a Gamespot review! Gamespot! Maybe he can throw IGN in there as well? Wait…did they get their money sack recently? Ugh. Do you _really_ think that user scores that hover in the low seventies are a sign of good overall health? _Really_? If the text color is blue, everything is okay, right? Well-reviewed! EVE Online is now a **joke** in the MMO/gaming world in general as well. In other games I play, it’s not referred to as that “difficult game where you can get rich or killed by pirate psychos” like it was in the past, but as “P2W trash.” Not that most EVE players would even be _aware_ of this fact, however, as the majority of them are armchair-military geriatrics whose only other recent experience with gaming consists of those handheld Tetris machines that need 4 AA batteries. ---
**Author:** ![KiithSoban](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kiithsoban/32/262630_2.png) [@KiithSoban](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/KiithSoban)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/48 "2021-05-03T18:20:24Z")
I REALLY hope this has FW changes too. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/49 "2021-05-03T18:21:22Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > but as “P2W trash.” Not that most EVE players would even be _aware_ of this fact I mean. The reason most EVE players wouldn’t see it that was is because we know that EVE isn’t P2W. And the people who do call it “P2W” or the old classic of “spreadsheets in space” don’t know what they’re talking about and can have their opinions disregarded safely. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/50 "2021-05-03T18:32:28Z")
By golly you are right. I think the Amarr may also be Baltar and Caprica ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/51 "2021-05-03T18:43:30Z")
Dude, you realize that reviews aren’t made for the benefit of _existing_ players, right? And that what _we_ think about the opinions expressed therein is what _actually_ gets discarded, right? Potential players aren’t going to seek your sage guru advice when deciding whether or not to play EVE. They’ll read reviews, which clearly (and correctly) mention that you can spend a few thousand bucks to inject your way into a maxed-out character and buy ships, and will _rationally_ conclude that this game is indeed “P2W trash,” even though the nerds actually playing it might know better. Terrorists don’t think they’re terrorists - they think they’re freedom fighters. But what’s important is what the _rest_ of the world thinks. CCP is notoriously and _unforgivably_ bad at managing public expectations and sentiment, and the last remaining bastion of integrity that this game has - its difficulty - is now being stripped away by changes that read a lot like the script to an infomercial selling pickle jar-opening gloves. “Has this ever happened to you?” _clip of person looking annoyingly at empty wallet_ “Well now you can! Introducing new gates for even better ISK-making opportunities for [insert flavor-of-the-month synonym for capsuleer here]!” Everything else that was good about the game has _long ago_ been sold off in a sea of “Buy Now!” banner ads in the launcher. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/52 "2021-05-03T18:50:35Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Do you _really_ think that user scores that hover in the low seventies are a sign of good overall health? _Really_? If the text color is blue, everything is okay, right? Well-reviewed! Show me another 18 year old game that doesn’t have bad reviews. Let’s take a look at, for instance, Metacritic’s user score of EVE Online - it’s 7.3. ![Screenshot 2021-05-03 144517](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/2/4/f24ef7cf9e9060700483756336031b8781c3692c.jpeg) Now, here’s Metacritic’s user score of World of Warcraft, the most popular MMO of all time - it’s 7.4. ![Screenshot 2021-05-03 144624](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/f/8/ef8b82fcdae8463579eb7c9d6d926b0d5b339bd1.jpeg) Amazing, huh? A “universally acclaimed game” on Metacritic is barely ranked higher by users than a game you claim is being “review bombed.” > [@](#): > > EVE Online is now a **joke** in the MMO/gaming world in general as well. In other games I play, it’s not referred to as that “difficult game where you can get rich or killed by pirate psychos” like it was in the past, but as “P2W trash.” Not that most EVE players would even be _aware_ of this fact, however, as the majority of them are armchair-military geriatrics whose only other recent experience with gaming consists of those handheld Tetris machines that need 4 AA batteries. This is nonsense. First, most EVE players I know play a ton of other games. And I don’t know about you, but I’ve got every single major console and gaming device on the market (yes, I have a PS5 and an Xbox X|S) and I talk to plenty of non-EVE people and I have never heard anybody call the main game “P2Win trash.” I’ve heard them refer to EVE Echoes that way, sure. But not EVE itself. The #1 thing I hear from folks is “man, I’ve heard all kinds of crazy stories about that game but I’ve never tried it. Does all that stuff really happen?” Again, I don’t know what your point is. If you don’t like the game, why are you here? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/53 "2021-05-03T18:53:57Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I think the Amarr may also be Baltar and Caprica Tigh and Caprica, I think. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > it’s not referred to as that “difficult game where you can get rich or killed by pirate psychos” like it was in the past, but as “P2W trash.” To be fair, right now _every_ game is described that way by people who only play other games. It’s a generic insult used by people who don’t really pay any attention to the game. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/54 "2021-05-03T19:03:32Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > handheld Tetris machines that need 4 AA batteries. Those were pay-to-win trash. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/55 "2021-05-03T19:14:57Z")
Well this fire isnt going out any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/56 "2021-05-03T19:22:19Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Show me another 18 year old game that doesn’t have bad reviews. What kind of asinine, goalpost-moving red herring is this? What does this have to do with anything? > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Now, here’s Metacritic’s user score of World of Warcraft, the most popular MMO of all time - it’s 7.4. Oh right, the game (that I’ve also played for a very long time so I’d _know_) that has the **exact same issues as EVE** magically has the same user score. How surprising. And how surprising is it that the game put out by a studio that virtually _owns_ the gaming media market has such a high critic rating, compared to EVE, a game owned by a studio of non-gamers who aren’t even aware that other games exist, and are even _less_ aware of how to pay off the gaming media for their vittles, which they wouldn’t do _anyway_ because it would cut into their Brennivin budget. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > This is nonsense. First, most EVE players I know play a ton of other games. And I don’t know about you, but I’ve got every single major console and gaming device on the market (yes, I have a PS5 and an Xbox X|S) and I talk to plenty of non-EVE people and I have never heard anybody call the main game “P2Win trash.” I’ve heard them refer to EVE Echoes that way, sure. But not EVE itself. Okay gramps. It’s good to see that our duly-elected representative is doing damage control for management. No one’s even _heard_ of EVE Echoes before. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > The #1 thing I hear from folks is “man, I’ve heard all kinds of crazy stories about that game but I’ve never tried it. Does all that stuff really happen?” Did this come straight out of the public relations package they provide for you during the CSM meetings? _Literally no normal person talks that way_, you obvious shill. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Again, I don’t know what your point is. If you don’t like the game, why are you here? What is this, your version of “you’ve activated my trap card”? I like the game. What I _don’t_ like is elbow-rubbing pseudo-politicians pretending like they know, understand, or care about the issues while trying to fill their pockets with enough twitch subs to pay for their $120 hair. The CSM is _the_ most responsible party for allowing CCP to get away with their worst decisions throughout the years because they legitimized those decisions by acting as a damper for public outcry. Your legacy is that of someone whose presence resulted in the game devolving into its current sad state that even the _developers_ are now being forced to acknowledge with the changes they’ve been making. Don’t forget that. ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/57 "2021-05-03T19:31:37Z")
Can’t wait to see the empire opening new gates We might even get a “War in Heaven” to use a stellaris phrase ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/58 "2021-05-03T19:56:43Z")
Alakoni Ishanoya is female, CEO of Lai Dai and the other one that refused to sign the deal from CEP with the Gallente Senate involving the demilitarization of Caldari Prime after operation Highlander. _“This next Quadrant ‘Foundation’ aims to celebrate the identity of the four Empires of New Eden, (…) It represents the pride in the history of these four Empires that have become the cornerstones of New Eden”_ I understand the Caldari power structure makes it difficult to make one person a poster face, but setting up a face that is hard to even recognize other than “Generic Caldari male grumpy face” in a quadrant that, among other things, puts the background in display? (It is not Puok Kossinen from CEP, couldn’t find the face of the diplomat Akimaka Seraki that is mediating things in the current crisis…) Who the hell is this guy? Where can i find information about him? Why the Fiction Portal was not mentioned? Soemtimes it appears that the lore is handled by different compartmentalized teams that dont communicate with each other. At least mention your own lore resources and sites if lore is about to get a buff. ---
**Author:** ![eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee/32/268419_2.png) [@eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/59 "2021-05-03T20:14:00Z")
so you want to be able to paint your ships…no pls no iGunPro2 for ships ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/60 "2021-05-03T20:29:10Z")
I was thinking of the CEP chair first, too, but he looks nothing like it. But since the other 3 are current leaders, it has to be a high-ranking figure in the state or will become one soon. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027/61 "2021-05-03T20:29:36Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > What kind of asinine, goalpost-moving red herring is this? What does this have to do with anything? You asked if games with user scores hovering in the low 70s are a sign of good overall health. I showed you the granddaddy of them all is hovering in the exact same area as EVE, and Blizzard is still making something like a hundred million a month in revenue and nobody is out there claiming that WOW is dying. But yeah, every game that old is going to have bad reviews, especially games that go through major development changes that some people may not like. It’s inevitable. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Oh right, the game (that I’ve also played for a very long time so I’d _know_) that has the **exact same issues as EVE** magically has the same user score. How surprising. And how surprising is it that the game put out by a studio that virtually _owns_ the gaming media market has such a high critic rating, compared to EVE, a game owned by a studio of non-gamers who aren’t even aware that other games exist, and are even _less_ aware of how to pay off the gaming media for their vittles, which they wouldn’t do _anyway_ because it would cut into their Brennivin budget. I wasn’t paying any attention the critic rating, I was focusing on the user rating, which is what we were discussing. I don’t think critics engage in “review bombings” do they? > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Okay gramps. It’s good to see that our duly-elected representative is doing damage control for management. > > No one’s even _heard_ of EVE Echoes before. I’m not doing damage control for anybody - I’m calling you out on your false claim that the game’s reviews are somehow awful. They’re not. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Did this come straight out of the public relations package they provide for you during the CSM meetings? > > _Literally no normal person talks that way_, you obvious shill. You want an example of how people talk? Here’s a conversation I had with a friend very recently. ![1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/6/c/06cabdb684d8f11bd39730577c70e1fe50b22c0c.jpeg) ![2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/3/f/23f21a9949494aef4666e7cf632e0bebb5ccfb43.jpeg) That’s how people actually talk about the game. Nobody calls it pay to win, because it’s not. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > What is this, your version of “you’ve activated my trap card”? > > I like the game. What I _don’t_ like is elbow-rubbing pseudo-politicians pretending like they know, understand, or care about the issues while trying to fill their pockets with enough twitch subs to pay for their $120 hair. > > The CSM is _the_ most responsible party for allowing CCP to get away with their worst decisions throughout the years because they legitimized those decisions by acting as a damper for public outcry. Your legacy is that of someone whose presence resulted in the game devolving into its current sad state that even the _developers_ are now being forced to acknowledge with the changes they’ve been making. Don’t forget that. I like the game, too. What I don’t like are crybabies like you who ■■■■ up every single thread about on-going development with your constant whining about things nobody but you cares about. If you think the CSM isn’t doing a good job, feel free to run for it yourself. Show the world you know better than me by convincing all your fellow players that you’re right and I’m wrong and take my seat. Otherwise, you’re just full of hot air and salt. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-new-quadrant-starts-soon/309027.md?page=4)