# Free to play not so much? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 14, 2022, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633 "2022-05-14T23:15:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/43 "2022-05-16T14:12:07Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > It’s an amusing logic though. By the OP’s logic I, a subscription payer, should be able to fly and use anything I acquired during my subscription time after stopping to pay for a subscription. Now, who can have anything against that, eh ? Admit it…, it’s tempting, your heart is racing now, you sweat slightly and you’re ready to pitch this to ccp. Good Luck. It would never work…as it would rely on a constant influx of new players all paying to get to some highly skilled level before un-subbing. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/44 "2022-05-16T15:23:36Z")
I mean? “Huge” such a vague word. What’s 8-10 hours stretched out over 3 weeks? I have extra ISK. We all have our fancy ships and stuff we buy with our ISK. I think I only subbed for 3 months all the way back when I started on a different character. What’s 1.7bil approx to the huge trillionares and people worth 100+ bil? I can’t speak for them and what they do but if I made that amount of ISK personally a month, I wouldn’t even bother plexing. I guess my point is the 500 plex a month is a drop in the bucket for the really smart people in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/45 "2022-05-16T15:32:32Z")
“Smart”? You’re literally converting your playtime to real dollar value at a rate of $2/hour at current sub cost ($20/month). It’d be more efficient to just get a part time job… literally anywhere… and work for 2 hours/month per account 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/46 "2022-05-16T16:30:33Z")
And this is the cornerstone of afk playstyle, once you ask yourself: “Why not both?”. Honor mention to CCP trying to avoid this with blackout and triglavians, ofc they failed. It’s sad it took 40 posts, but moving on. ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/47 "2022-05-16T22:19:57Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > It’d be more efficient to just get a part time job… literally anywhere… and work for 2 hours/month per account I’d rather serve at McDonald’s for 2 hours a month than mine 8 to 10 hours and even more in EVE, risk more time and ships/isk, call it a “playstyle” then pretend I like it and all in order to pay 20 for a game subscription. smh ---
**Author:** ![Oosel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oosel/32/389219_2.png) [@Oosel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oosel)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/48 "2022-05-17T08:26:09Z")
i have to be honest i wish they would go back to a subscription based games when the mrs finds out im paying 300 quid in one hit for my 3 omegas she is going to rage where as she doesnt bat an eyelid about a rolling monthly sub ---
**Author:** ![Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifi_brin_d_acier/32/316767_2.png) [@Fifi\_Brin\_D\_acier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifi_Brin_D_acier)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/49 "2022-05-17T08:41:12Z")
> [@Oosel](#): > > have to be honest i wish they would go back to a subscription based games when the mrs finds out im paying 300 quid in one hit for my 3 omegas she is going to rage where as she doesnt bat an eyelid about a rolling monthly sub It’s all meased up but aren’t we used to it by now? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/50 "2022-05-17T09:48:33Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > It would never work…as it would rely on a constant influx of new players all paying to get to some highly skilled level before un-subbing. Perhaps the irony was lost in the mix of posts, and I should have used sarcasm instead 😉. Let’s just remind the OP that he’s paying for a _service_, which stops being delivered once the payment ends. ---
**Author:** ![Drx\_Drx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drx_drx/32/383107_2.png) [@Drx\_Drx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drx_Drx)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/51 "2022-05-17T12:43:54Z")
That might have been the case before free to play Currently, you are paying for an advantage ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/52 "2022-05-17T13:01:29Z")
> [@Drx\_Drx](#): > > Currently, you are paying for an advantage No you’re not. Omega is unchanged. ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/53 "2022-05-17T13:26:08Z")
More like, you pay for full access. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/54 "2022-05-17T13:26:19Z")
Being Omega doesn’t make you a better skilled player. ---
**Author:** ![Drx\_Drx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drx_drx/32/383107_2.png) [@Drx\_Drx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drx_Drx)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/55 "2022-05-17T13:38:16Z")
What if i already am a skilled player? > [@Adm\_Malkaviano](#): > > More like, you pay for full access. Full access to what? Capitals? No problem Base speed? Thats called selling advantages ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/56 "2022-05-17T13:47:34Z")
> [@Drx\_Drx](#): > > What if i already am a skilled player? If you were a skilled player you’d know that you can have an Omega character for basically no more cost than an Alpha character. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/57 "2022-05-17T13:54:16Z")
Or begging for stuff from a guy who died of cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Drx\_Drx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drx_drx/32/383107_2.png) [@Drx\_Drx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drx_Drx)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/58 "2022-05-17T13:57:46Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > If you were a skilled player you’d know that you can have an Omega character for basically no more cost than an Alpha character. Thats not an issue. Issue is, an unskilled subed player has an advantage over a skilled unsubed player. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Or begging for stuff from a guy who died of cancer. Eve Online forums are not the best place for obituaries ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/59 "2022-05-17T14:17:09Z")
> [@Drx\_Drx](#): > > Thats not an issue. Issue is, an unskilled subed player has an advantage over a skilled unsubed player. Yes, and also the other way around. Pretty much everyone in this game has some advantage over another player, yet also a disadvantage. A skilled player in an Alpha ship can take on an unskilled subbed player on an Omega ship and easily win based on skill alone. But if the skilled player wishes to fly ships that require a subscription, he can easily pay for an Omega subscription for pretty much free if he sacrifices his skill training for it. By using extractors to sell his monthly gained SP as injectors to cover the cost of monthly plex, people with enough skill points to fly the ships they want to fly have an option to be skilled _and_ subbed players for pretty much free. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/60 "2022-05-17T14:22:59Z")
No. The skill speed for paid subscription is unchanged. It’s still the base speed for paid subscription. ---
**Author:** ![Drx\_Drx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drx_drx/32/383107_2.png) [@Drx\_Drx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drx_Drx)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/61 "2022-05-17T14:27:11Z")
Im not talking about skill training speed, im talking about movement speed. As in, my pod is slower than your pod > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Yes, and also the other way around. Yes the other way around makes the gap is even wider, thats why i cant recommend pvp to newbro alpha players. There is a pay wall at the begining of the learning curve. I understand that there have to be pay walls in a f2p model but my hope is that with proper rebalancing of the skill requirements for ships and mods we can move that pay wall a bit further down the learning curve. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633/62 "2022-05-17T14:27:44Z")
> [@Drx\_Drx](#): > > Issue is, an unskilled subed player has an advantage over a skilled unsubed player. I’d say that’s debatable. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/free-to-play-not-so-much/362633.md?page=4)