# Freighter PvP & the Ante **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Created:** [March 18, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389 "2024-03-18T18:14:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/82 "2024-03-21T11:41:39Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > You seem frustrated by EVE’s current mechanics, Eloken. Within High Security space the most active conflict is rabble from the fringe of society pulling what is essentially a infinite money glitch against those still putting in the hard work of moving stuff from A to B on a regular basis. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > I can never understand why you people get so _angry_ about something you cannot change. Silence is implicit acceptance and does nobody any good. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/83 "2024-03-21T11:50:29Z")
Silence is Violence. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/7/4/4748d706eb958e4c19da4f107c6952e20bd34a91.png) ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/84 "2024-03-21T11:58:04Z")
Was it lawless at the time? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/85 "2024-03-21T12:30:45Z")
> [@Corey\_Fumimasa](#): > > The difference with any other PvP engagement is that the victor gets to loot the field That is objectively wrong, as many PvP engagements are about playing an objective, not holding grid. Destroying a structure or POS. Destroying an iHub. Busting through an eviction. And so on. Also, glad to see you back. Would you like to address any of my critiques or let them continue to stand on their own merit? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/86 "2024-03-21T12:41:33Z")
> [@Corey\_Fumimasa](#): > > The difference with any other PvP engagement is that the victor gets to loot the field. This is not the case with freighter PvP. A “win” for the freighter is merely escape. - the profit of your hauling run is your ‘loot’ for a ‘victory’ aka a successful escape. If the gankers don’t catch you, they will get nothing for all their waiting time. Seems balanced to me. > [@Corey\_Fumimasa](#): > > All the support ships required for a gank only come into play once the freighter is solidly on the losing side of the engagement. - it is your choice not to bring an equally professional crew to actually take the fight and bait them into engaging you, then make them fail. Would you show up with at least 7-10 ships (which still is less than they would need to ‘win’) and plan your trap correctly you could loot the Maller’s and a dozen Talos’ Wrecks which have some pretty nice guns in it. EVE is a strategical game, use strategies, you’d be surprised how well they work. > [@Corey\_Fumimasa](#): > > Currently the best play for the freighter captain is to tether in Sivala and wait for the pirates to engage another freighter, then jump through. - you aren’t entitled to move effortlessly from A to B anytime and anywhere you want. People have the right to interfere with your plans in a PvP game, which EVE is. You can deal with that by delaying your trip (fine choice, don’t complain) or by meeting them with force (needs cooperation, but works well). > [@Corey\_Fumimasa](#): > > A big fat reward for successfully evading the campers if they make a play for that specific freighter. There is, it’s the profit of your hauling run. If there is no profit attached, you should seriously reconsider your business decisions and ask yourself why you should risk a 5B ship+cargo for no gain. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/87 "2024-03-21T13:05:25Z")
> [@Corey\_Fumimasa](#): > > come into play once the freighter is solidly on the losing side of the engagement. How long does concord wait while all this is going on? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/88 "2024-03-21T15:40:10Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > those still putting in the hard work of moving stuff from A to B on a regular basis. …of whom I am one. Ganking is also a hobby. > [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > > > I can never understand why you people get so _angry_ about something you cannot change. > > Silence is implicit acceptance and does nobody any good. I did not advocate silence, Eloken. I posited that I did not understand anger as a response to immutable change. Of course, it is a perfectly acceptable _initial response_ to something we dislike, but it serves us poorly in the face of immutable circumstance, where it might properly be seen - by emotionally mature persons - to be an exercise in futility (a waste of time). If you are going to question what I’ve written, do be careful, Eloken. I am known to bring Neutron Blasters primed with Void S to every encounter - written or otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/89 "2024-03-22T01:06:06Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > rabble from the fringe of society pulling what is essentially a infinite money glitch against those still putting in the hard work of moving stuff from A to B on a regular basis I feel like you might be dumbfounded to learn how many of those are the same people. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/90 "2024-03-22T03:10:04Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > the profit of your hauling run is your ‘loot’ for a ‘victory’ aka a successful escape. If the gankers don’t catch you, they will get nothing for all their waiting time. Seems balanced to me. “not losing money” is not “profit”. Learn the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/91 "2024-03-22T03:42:43Z")
> [@Corey\_Fumimasa](#): > > Currently the best play for the freighter captain is to tether in Sivala and wait for the pirates to engage another freighter, then jump through Yes. 100% this. Let _someone else_ spring the obvious trap. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/92 "2024-03-22T05:18:46Z")
You didn’t just ‘not lose money’, you increased the value of the goods by moving them to a more useful location and thus made profit. Thats the base every transport business is founded on, ask a trucker what he is paid for. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/93 "2024-03-22T09:04:20Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > you increased the value of the goods by moving them to a more useful location and thus made profit. No you did not. If there was no ganker, you would do it the same so the interaction does not increase the gain. Also the fact that you make money doing the activity has no relation to the fact that the ganker have a much lower ante than the freighter, related to their potential gain and his. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/94 "2024-03-22T09:31:05Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > If there was no ganker If there was no ganker, your competitors would get their goods to market unhindered. This effects your profit. Hate to burst your bubble, but the world does not revolve around you. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/95 "2024-03-22T09:31:53Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > This effects your profit. It does not. > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > You world does not revolve around you. It does. The prices on the market, on the other hand, does not revolve around the activity of gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/96 "2024-03-22T09:33:28Z")
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. Trying to explain the basics to you is like trying to get blood out of a stone. > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > does not revolve around the activity of gankers Actually it does. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/97 "2024-03-22T09:34:02Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Trying to explain the basics to you is like trying to get blood out of a stone. Your claims are only the basics of stupidity. They are plain nonsensical ones. The offers on the market are not the slightest impacted by gankers activity. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/98 "2024-03-22T09:36:05Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > prices on the market are not the slightest impacted by gankers activity Well it looks like you have mastered > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > the basics of stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/99 "2024-03-22T09:37:06Z")
So we reached that point where you can’t even pretend to discuss and go back to personal attacks. Color me surprised, you’ve been doing that for years on the forum to harass any opposing opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/100 "2024-03-22T09:38:19Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > go back to personal attacks. No I didn’t, those were your words > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > you’ve been doing that for years on the forum I have a fan ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389/101 "2024-03-22T10:38:37Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > No you did not Yes it did. It was the reason to haul it at all. That value doesn’t need to be ISK alone, it can also be ‘efficiency value’ aka selling faster, supplying a production facility, a ‘convenience value’ aka moving stuff to a location you have easier access to it or even an ‘emotional value’ aka you simply like the stuff to be at B instead of A. No matter what, you got value out of that trip, else you hadn’t made it. If someone just wants to fly a freighter to fly a freighter he can easily avoid all systems where gankers are active. I can recommend places where no freighter has been ganked in years. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighter-pvp-the-ante/443389.md?page=6)