# Freighters are too cost effective to suicide gank. Need HP increase **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 4, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169 "2020-02-04T15:19:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/581 "2020-02-07T19:32:02Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Maybe you need to read Oh the irony of it… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/582 "2020-02-07T19:33:41Z")
Long story short, it doesn’t matter what you do to freighters, they are going to get ganked regardless. They will simply use more ships to pop it. There are many gankers out there who don’t do it for profit, they do it for the tears, no matter the cost… ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/583 "2020-02-07T19:35:21Z")
ask them what? LMAO the Wardec groups predicted exactly how things would go with the Dec Mechanics changes. They are doing business as usual, but yet there are still “Carebears” crying about it, and especially crying how they cant defend their moon ore cause now they have to gank to do so. so yes they get what they deserve. period. end of discussion for you on this part of the topic. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/584 "2020-02-07T19:35:27Z")
And when they keep getting popped even after getting buffed, someone will come back to the forums whining that they are still getting popped and to buff them even more. It’s a never ending cycle. Give 'em an inch, and they’ll take a mile… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/585 "2020-02-07T19:36:31Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > it doesn’t matter what you do to freighters, they are going to get ganked regardless True enough, people are always going to make it worthwhile for others to gank them by dint of making silly choices. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > There are many gankers out there who don’t do it for profit, they do it for the tears, no matter the cost… This is also true, some people just want to watch the world burn; I just want to sell matches and flammable liquids to them. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/587 "2020-02-07T19:41:25Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You stated it was accurate and are refusing to prove that Read up. I’m happy to add proof. I’ve already stated a few times. But as above, I expect to update that on Monday. It;s nearing 8pm on Friday in Iceland. Sometimes things take a bit of time. No surprise your words are just hollow. “rough number” but not willing to back that up at all. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > When someone asks you to prove something you’ve stated, you demand they prove the opposite. It just shows how weak your position is. No, I’m not asking you to prove the opposite. Just doing exactly the same as you, in a childish circular game of stupid we are both engaging in. You claimed it’s just a “rough number”, so prove it’s just a rough number. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/589 "2020-02-07T19:42:10Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > “rough number” but not willing to back that up at all. And 2x is apparently not rough enough. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/590 "2020-02-07T19:43:20Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Wut? Most of them have folded, and the ones that still exist have a significantly decreased pool of targets. They refused to acknowledge that their playstyle was unabalnced and CCP forced balance pon them and it didn’t go well for them. You sir are an idiot… Folding and consolidating are two very different things… the latter being what quite a few of them have done. And their pool of targets has not dried up at all… jesus you living under a rock? or just stupid? But then, im not talking about the Wardec groups, i was talking originally about Carebears getting what they deserve. Carebear= Someone unwilling to learn how to play EvE, unwilling to learn to mitigate risk and instead running to the Forums to rely on the Dev’s to change everything in their favor instead of learning how to play the game. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/591 "2020-02-07T19:43:51Z")
In return for what? You can’t simply buff one thing without modifying something else, else the whole game gets out of balance. The only thing that increasing the EHP would do is encourage freighter pilots to use less tank and go for max cargo, and if you are going for max cargo then you deserve to get popped. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/592 "2020-02-07T19:44:31Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So then there’s no reason not to increase freighter EHP? That buff means that freighters would load more expensive cargo on average. That would mean that need for freighters would decline, making their profits the same as before, but losses would become more costly. That would mean reopening this thread to request yet another buff. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/593 "2020-02-07T19:45:54Z")
If you are that paranoid, just use an ungodly tanked DST, scout, and a webber. Or use unconventional methods of transport. Transporting valuables that are more than a frigate can carry, but less than a cargo hauler? Use a tanked Skiff or similar ship that they won’t look twice at going through the gate. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/594 "2020-02-07T19:47:22Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > the ones that still exist have a significantly decreased pool of targets. Since the wardec changes our whole alliance has switched to wardecs as a means of ISK generation to fund our normal low/null pvp. We’ve taken down about 60 odd structures now and regularly face other wardec groups that ally into wars to expand their target pool. It’s the opposite of decreased pool of targets. There are a number of groups out shooting structures and having a great time with the changes that were introduced. A good example is the structure we killed last night (AU time): > **[Raitaru | Spectrum Reborn | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/81486962/)** > > (Spectrum Reborn) lost their Raitaru in Jorus (Heimatar). Final Blow by Taderion (Priador Enterprises) flying in a Leshak. Total Value: 786,318,912.80 ISK If you look at the killboard of that group, you’ll see they are wardeccers too. They allied into a war we are in, so we went and shot their HQ while we wait timers on the other structures we are shooting. It’s fun all around. Your understanding of the effect of the wardec changes is wrong. We have a much larger pool of targets. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/596 "2020-02-07T19:51:30Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m well aware that you are claiming to have CCP devs in your back pocket. Rubbish. I never said that. You are an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/597 "2020-02-07T19:53:08Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > How often does the OP think they are dying and how far off is that figure? Apparently 1 to 4 a day by one specific group, and further into the thread 10+ over a 3 day period with no specified group. I’m not disputing their numbers, I’m disputing what percentage of total hisec freighter traffic the OP’s numbers represent; I’d guess that the percentage is in fact extremely low, as in less than a single percentile. If ganked freighters do indeed represent \<1% of the total freighter traffic in hisec then I see no need for freighters to be mechanically buffed by CCP; any buff needs to come from the actions and choices of the people flying them. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/600 "2020-02-07T20:02:24Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So now there are more corps to war dec? Seems unlikely, care to prove that? Haha. You can’t even stick to what you said. You wrote: > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > the ones that still exist have a significantly decreased pool of targets. We exist and we have a much larger pool of targets. What you wrote is wrong, but that happens because you are writing without actually having any experience in what you are talking about. It’s unfortunately an all too common thing in the forum. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/601 "2020-02-07T20:05:01Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Thanks for the personal attack. Goodbye. its not personal… as my first (and most favorite NCO) use to always say… “I call a Spade when I see a Spade.” ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/603 "2020-02-07T20:15:38Z")
unfortunately in your case i believe its a fact, not an insult. and i would not be conversing with you in the first place if you had not opened your gob and said something dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/604 "2020-02-07T20:16:06Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That pool has decreased No. It’s has only increased for us since the wardec changes. Prior to that we didn’t pvp in highsec at all. Now we do. As a result, our potential targets have increased be the entire number of wardec eligible corps. We aren’t the only ones where that is true. You are still wrong and will continue to be wrong because you have no experience in what you are writing about. The changes are also not affecting the number of kills that other groups are getting in a negative way. PIRAT for example are getting more kills since the changes, than they did prior. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/606 "2020-02-07T20:29:43Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That doesn’t mean the pool got bigger, it just means you got into the pool, genius. Your statement was: “ones that still exist have a significantly decreased pool of targets” We exist and our pool of targets, direcly resulting from the wardec changes, which encouraged us to pursure wars as a means of generating ISK, has only increased. You shouldn’t just write rubbish and expect to be correct, when you have no experience in what you are writing about. Any pool above 0 is an increase for us. So we’ve expanded into wars where we didn’t operate at all before. From 0 to anything is an increase in targets. I’d use the “genius” term back at you, but it clearly doesn’t apply. We aren’t the only ones that have done that either and on a straight kills count from the killboards, PIRAT’s pvp activity has increased as a result of the wardec changes. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/608 "2020-02-07T21:30:25Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So because you didn’t wardec and now you do, that means the wardec changes made the pool bigger than it originally was Yes. Without the changes, we still wouldn’t wardec. Our pool of targets is bigger, directly as a result of the changes. You can think you have it all figured out all you like but your claim was ■■■■■■■■, just like your posting. Go get some experience and you might actually learn something. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169.md?page=28)