# Freighters are too cost effective to suicide gank. Need HP increase **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 4, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169 "2020-02-04T15:19:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/610 "2020-02-07T21:33:04Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But your choices do not change how CCPs changes affect the game overall. No one claimed it did. You said the wardec groups have a reduced pool of targets. You are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/611 "2020-02-07T21:35:17Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > When did you get this mad? Mad? I’m not mad. I’m pissed about my mother and daughter being killed 6 weeks ago an that’s probably coming through in this, as a distraction to what I’m working through, but you couldn’t make me mad Lucas. I really don’t give you a second thought, just as I wouldn’t expect you give me any more thought than these exchanges in posts. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/612 "2020-02-07T21:36:29Z")
How wardecs are relevant to the cost to gank cargo-optimized freighter? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/613 "2020-02-07T21:39:36Z")
They aren’t, but this is normal for threads that stay open this long. They always gravitate to ganking or wardecs. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/615 "2020-02-07T21:41:50Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > And yet you’re non-stop rageposting at me I’m pretty sure this is an argument that could be reversed. You are just as much rage posting, because you can’t accept the simple fact that you are wrong. My alliance is direct proof that your earlier statement was wrong, resulting from a naive position of not actually having any experience in what you are writing about. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Event double posting now. There seems to be something going on with the servers again unfortunately. In game and here in the forum. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/616 "2020-02-07T21:42:36Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Someone said that CCP won’t make changes that help carebears I think that someone actually meant that CCP won’t make a lot of ganking nerfs in a row without a ganking buff. Otherwise this sentence is obviously factually incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/618 "2020-02-07T21:50:32Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > because I’d just slammed Scipio on a completely different point Sorry what? Put the big head away. I am quite capable of reading different claims and assessing whether they make sense or not. They don’t. So nothing tied between either a claim that stats from CCP are just a rough number, or that the wardec changes have only reduced the target pool of current groups. Both points are independently wrong. They just happen to be posted at a similar time, so both discussed at a similar time. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/621 "2020-02-07T23:20:36Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If you say so chap. Unfortunately, you have your head buried so far up the theory of what you are writing, that you can’t understand that in game, it’s incorrect. Prior to December 2018, 100% of corps could be wardecced, but we know from CCP explanation of the reason for changing the situation that people stopped playing when they were wardecced, moved to NPC Corps and/or didn’t put their characters in player owned corps at all to begin with. For every corp that was wardecced, in most cases, the target pool was empty because there were 0 targets available. That was why CCP changed it, especially because they could see that even after a war ended, people still didn’t log in. Prior to the changes PIRAT, Marmite, etc. had to have more than 100 wars active because they understood that in practice, most of those wars had a 0 target pool. Post the changes, 100% of wars have a miniumum of 1 target, sitting in space 24/7 available to attack. In practice, we are seeing more targets in many wars. The target pool has increased in reality, since the wardec changes. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/623 "2020-02-07T23:28:43Z")
You can’t shoot a Corp. You can only shoot the players in the Corp and assets in space. So the number of Corps isn’t the pool of targets. The number of players and assets is and always has been. We know that when a Corp was decced before, the number of players playing the game dropped. The number of targets in most cases was 0. Theory v reality. No experience v experience. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/625 "2020-02-08T00:43:16Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If you say so Finally. Thanks. Glad we got to an agreed position. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/626 "2020-02-08T08:55:44Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Finally. Thanks. Glad we got to an agreed position. Just like Andersen he wants the final word in a “conversation”. Just wait for it. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/627 "2020-02-08T09:21:48Z")
The solution is so easy… No pvp at all in high… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/628 "2020-02-08T10:33:10Z")
Sod off Balos. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/629 "2020-02-08T11:46:02Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > The solution is so easy… > > No pvp at all in high… Hey Balos! … you can ■■■■ off. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/630 "2020-02-08T12:17:35Z")
Better, find some other game. ---
**Author:** ![Sebat\_Hadah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebat_hadah/32/248462_2.png) [@Sebat\_Hadah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebat_Hadah)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/631 "2020-02-08T12:52:07Z")
Idea: escort your flying box with a stasis web equipped alt. ---
**Author:** ![Sebat\_Hadah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebat_hadah/32/248462_2.png) [@Sebat\_Hadah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebat_Hadah)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/632 "2020-02-08T12:54:30Z")
![tenor (3)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/9/f9efa46ee9d339e0a25f70e15477f8b22e23dbea.gif) (Processing your stupid idea) ![vFILHTM](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/1/51f8016cdf1136addf63d30f0835ce44b348e6da.gif) (REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!) Go bury yourself in a pile of rotten potatoes. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/633 "2020-02-08T13:08:11Z")
That would lower the standard of the spuds. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/634 "2020-02-08T15:59:03Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > The solution is so easy… > > No pvp at all in high… The solution is so easy… No highsec at all… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/635 "2020-02-08T16:11:49Z")
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