# Freighters are too cost effective to suicide gank. Need HP increase **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 4, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169 "2020-02-04T15:19:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/795 "2020-02-12T13:38:42Z")
> Who cares? It’s extremely difficult to catch pods without interdictor bubbles, and none of that loot drops so there’s minimal incentive to shoot it. > [@Morgando\_LeFrick\_Anzomi](#): > > Kusion now use smartbombs to kill pods with. When someone (@Merin_Ryskin) who posts so strongly on ganking does not even know that many gankers use smart bombers to kill the pod too, it makes you wonder. Good point. They also use the smart bombers to prevent others from getting bounty. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/796 "2020-02-12T15:25:34Z")
> [@Dav\_Varan](#): > > Wait Goon nm , question withdrawn. Maybe one day you’ll have some idea what you’re talking about. I’d like to know where you got the idea that I’m a Goon, since that is completely inexplicable. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/797 "2020-02-12T15:27:21Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You can fly a freighter alone, even with AP, and still be a competent and not lazy pilot. You can autopilot a freighter and be a competent, not-lazy pilot of ships other than freighters. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/798 "2020-02-12T15:28:35Z")
you can autopilot a ganked freighter in uadama, and still be a competent rally pilot. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/799 "2020-02-12T16:20:33Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No you did not, fucqueen retard. By your own argument you have insulted someone and now everything you have said here is invalid. You lose, hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/800 "2020-02-12T16:22:12Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > By your own argument you have insulted someone and now everything you have said here is invalid. You lose, hypocrite. > **[Quoting out of context](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quoting_out_of_context)** > > Quoting out of context (sometimes referred to as contextomy or quote mining) is an informal fallacy in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning. Context may be omitted intentionally or accidentally, thinking it to be non-essential. As a fallacy, quoting out of context differs from false attribution, in that the out of context quote is still attributed to the correct source. > Arguments based on this fallacy typically take two forms: > C... Hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![FloppieTheBanjoClown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/floppiethebanjoclown/32/227425_2.png) [@FloppieTheBanjoClown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FloppieTheBanjoClown)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/801 "2020-02-12T16:22:27Z")
I’ve been operating freighters for years and never lost a single one to ganking. Some simple ways to avoid that: Obviously, use a webbing alt if you can. It’s very difficult to gank a freighter being webbed off a gate, and jumping the alt ahead of your freighter serves to scout your route for bump machariels that might have a chance at preventing your warp. If you’re solo piloting, don’t blind jump into Uedama or Niarja. dock up, board a corvette, and scout the gates. There are only a few groups that have the numbers to consistently gank freighters, and you can tell when they’re in local. No Mach on gate and no 20+ gankers in local? You’re clear to jump. Obviously, run with a proper tank. Don’t fit ORE bulkheads; they’re worth more than the extra ships needed to burn through your extra EHP. Don’t carry more than 2 billion isk on commonly-use trade routes. I’ve autopiloted much larger loads to 2 jumps off a major pipe, then broke the load up so that a ship scan would show less than a billion isk in the hold and made multiple trips on the last bit of the run. If that’s too tedious for you, you can spend about 10 mil per 2 billion in cargo to have the last few jumps made for you via red frog or open cargo contracts. In other words: there’s nothing wrong with freighters. They’re hard enough to solo kill when you don’t have concord stopping you. I’ve spent 20 minutes burning down a freighter with a solo orthrus. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/802 "2020-02-12T16:29:28Z")
Note the dishonest behavior of the troll, once again. Instead of acknowledging its hypocrisy it throws up a random wikipedia link, as if there could be any “context” that makes “fucqueen retard” not an insult. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/803 "2020-02-12T16:34:30Z")
She is pro at ■■■■■■■■, you should read the Orca thread I created, it’s nothing short of comedy. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/804 "2020-02-12T16:34:39Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Note the dishonest behavior of the troll, once again. And to think your mother had to bear with you for 9 months … You claim I wrote things that I did not. More specifically, those claims of yours rely on using the terms I used out of context. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > as if there could be any “context” that makes “fucqueen retard” not an insult. Strawman now ? Hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/805 "2020-02-12T16:38:55Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You claim I wrote things that I did not. You have over and over again claimed that someone insulting you makes everything they say invalid because “insults mean you have no other argument” and declared your smug superiority over everyone who isn’t as polite as you. And yet here you are blatantly insulting someone else, so by your own standards this is a concession of defeat. The reality here is that you are a thin-skinned hypocrite whose only principles are whatever will allow you to declare yourself the winner of the forum argument e-sport. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/806 "2020-02-12T16:39:35Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You have over and over again claimed that someone insulting you makes everything they say invalid because “insults mean you have no other argument” Liar. The reality is, you are claiming BS because you are here only to troll the forum. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/807 "2020-02-12T16:41:13Z")
Calm down, miner. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/808 "2020-02-12T16:44:17Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Liar And here come the hypocrite’s lies. When caught in an awkward situation that might hurt its chances of winning the forum argument e-sport it simply cries “LIAR” and pretends that none of the previous events ever happened. It’s easy to do, after all, when CCP has a policy of mass deleting posts that were even vaguely associated with something that breaks the rules. Now it’s simply a question of my word vs. its word, and that’s a better chance of “winning” than any actual argument it could make. The reality is that everyone who interacts with AG very quickly realizes that it is a troll and a hypocrite and has nothing of value to add. I simply point these things out for anyone casually reading this thread who may not realize the history yet. > The reality is, you are claiming BS because you are here only to troll the forum. That’s some pretty hilarious moral superiority from something that has constantly demonstrated that it is only here to masturbate over how it found some tiny nitpick to make and declare victory in the forum e-sport. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/809 "2020-02-12T16:46:22Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > When caught in an awkward situation that might hurt its chances of winning the forum argument e-sport it simply cries “LIAR” and pretends that none of the previous events ever happened. I pretend that the events did not happen the way you claim them. Which makes you a liar. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Now it’s simply a question of my word vs. its word, and that’s a better chance of “winning” than any actual argument it could make. No It’s not. I just checked my exact words and what you claim is BS. What you did is an out-of-contest quote, that is a plain lie. The thing is, now you claim that CCP decided to magically delete the posts that you claim exist, while they did not delete my post that do tell something, but not as you claimed. So yes, you are the hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/810 "2020-02-12T16:47:22Z")
Whatever, nobody cares about your inane nonsense. I’m simply explaining how you work so that anyone casually reading the thread knows exactly what kind of useless troll you are. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/811 "2020-02-12T16:48:17Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Whatever, nobody cares about your inane nonsense. You sure do a lot. Also, you sure like to cry a lot. Also, you sure lie a lot, sol. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > I’m simply explaining how you work lol. “nobody cares”. Cry me a river. You are the one who comes on the forum to insult people, never participate in a discussion when people don’t agre with him. You are simply here to make BS claims. You are mentally unable to understand what I wrote, so you make out of context quotes - that, or you are just here to troll because your life sucks so much. You are a little coward, afraid of reality. Now go ■■■■ yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/813 "2020-02-12T16:57:47Z")
> [@FloppieTheBanjoClown](#): > > Obviously, use a webbing alt if you can. It’s very difficult to gank a freighter being webbed off a gate, and jumping the alt ahead of your freighter serves to scout your route for bump machariels that might have a chance at preventing your warp. Except that the cruiser sitting on the gate was ignored by you, or the one that you picked up on D-scan or sitting on that structure near the gate in easy warping distance. > [@FloppieTheBanjoClown](#): > > and no 20+ gankers in local? You’re clear to jump. That is it, that is the choice. You failed. > [@FloppieTheBanjoClown](#): > > Obviously, run with a proper tank. Don’t fit ORE bulkheads; they’re worth more than the extra ships needed to burn through your extra EHP. Agree on this. > [@FloppieTheBanjoClown](#): > > Don’t carry more than 2 billion isk on commonly-use trade routes. I’ve autopiloted much larger loads to 2 jumps off a major pipe, then broke the load up so that a ship scan would show less than a billion isk in the hold and made multiple trips on the last bit of the run. If that’s too tedious for you, you can spend about 10 mil per 2 billion in cargo to have the last few jumps made for you via red frog or open cargo contracts. Agree on this. Not bad, better than most. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/814 "2020-02-12T17:02:08Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Sorry, I forgot for a moment that you’re a Trump supporter and therefore the lowest form of idiot. I apologize for expecting you to understand complicated words like “hypocrite”. I think that people with Trump derangement syndrome are idiots. I look at policy and facts first, from where I am standing as a European I can see wages and employment going up in the USA and I wonder who are the stupid ones… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/815 "2020-02-12T17:10:01Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I think that people with Trump derangement syndrome are idiots. I don’t mind people who don’t like Trump. I don’t know him, so maybe thy have good reasons. However when that’s the sole argument in a topic that has nothing to do with politics, what’s more when the forum does not allow to talk politics, yes here those people are idiots. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169.md?page=34) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169.md?page=36)