# Freighters are too cost effective to suicide gank. Need HP increase **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 4, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169 "2020-02-04T15:19:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/102 "2020-02-04T23:04:57Z")
> [@Lucia\_Clover](#): > > It can mine, give significant fleet boosts, and do significant dps. Not when it is in “full tank mode” ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/103 "2020-02-04T23:05:17Z")
> [@Lucia\_Clover](#): > > This isn’t a comparison to make. The freighter only hauls. The Orca is a mining fleet command ship. It can mine, give significant fleet boosts, and do significant dps. Who cares? It can’t do those things simultaneously, so why does it matter if you can refit the same hull and use it for something else later? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/104 "2020-02-04T23:05:23Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > pect to fly and endgame ship solo against a team and You do know you can log off when you have no timer and being bumbed right? ---
**Author:** ![Lucia\_Clover](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucia_clover/32/184851_2.png) [@Lucia\_Clover](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucia_Clover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/105 "2020-02-04T23:06:08Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > > [@Lucia\_Clover](#): > > > > It can mine, give significant fleet boosts, and do significant dps. > > Not when it is in “full tank mode” You’re telling me a tanked orca can’t give fleet boosts, haul, mine or have dps? A tanked orca can do all of these things. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/106 "2020-02-04T23:06:51Z")
Deep Space Transports work very well, esp if the cargo is not ships or ore. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/107 "2020-02-04T23:07:41Z")
It can have “DPS” but only “sh1t DPS” in comparison and it “can mine” but it can’t do very much as in “full tank mode” it doesn’t have the rigs for it so is, again, “sh1t mining” in comparison. Oh. Wait. Is this all leading up to you wanting Freighters with high and mid slots and a drone bay and a huge PG & CPU? I think it is. Yeah, fk off then. ---
**Author:** ![Lucia\_Clover](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucia_clover/32/184851_2.png) [@Lucia\_Clover](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucia_Clover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/108 "2020-02-04T23:09:57Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > It can have “DPS” but only “sh1t DPS” in comparison and it “can mine” but it can’t do very much as in “full tank mode” it doesn’t have the rigs for it so is, again, “sh1t mining” in comparison. It’s more than a freighter can do. A freighter can only move cargo. Costs a lot more than orca, yet has a hugely inferior tank. The only way to get the tank to be even half decent is to sacrifice 70% of potential hauling capacity. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/109 "2020-02-04T23:10:49Z")
> [@Lucia\_Clover](#): > > It’s more than a freighter can do. A freighter can only move cargo. Costs a lot more than orca, yet has a hugely inferior tank. The only way to get the tank to be even half decent is to sacrifice 70% of potential hauling capacity. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > I think it is. Yeah. I was right. It is. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/110 "2020-02-04T23:14:23Z")
> [@Lucia\_Clover](#): > > The only way to get the tank to be even half decent is to sacrifice 70% of potential hauling capacity. Then consider default hauling capacity as only 30% of potential. You have a choice: double your EHP or triple your capacity, and this situation of choice is roughly the same for most ships in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Lucia\_Clover](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucia_clover/32/184851_2.png) [@Lucia\_Clover](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucia_Clover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/111 "2020-02-04T23:15:59Z")
A while back, Orcas were given a significant boost to shield HP and mid slots. This made Orcas much harder to gank. Freighters are getting it as bad or worse than Orcas ever were. It’s time that freighters received the Orca treatment. Perhaps freighters should be given additional low slots and the ability to fit a damage control. ---
**Author:** ![Tatanka\_Startamer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tatanka_startamer/32/172985_2.png) [@Tatanka\_Startamer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tatanka_Startamer)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/112 "2020-02-04T23:17:41Z")
Sounds like you should just get an Orca, and be done with it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/113 "2020-02-04T23:18:14Z")
> [@Lucia\_Clover](#): > > A while back, Orcas were given a significant boost to shield HP and mid slots … It’s time that freighters … be given additional low slots and the ability to fit a damage control. It isn’t that I like being right but No. Wait. Who am I kidding? I fkn LOVE being right. ---
**Author:** ![Lucia\_Clover](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucia_clover/32/184851_2.png) [@Lucia\_Clover](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucia_Clover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/114 "2020-02-04T23:22:00Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > > [@Lucia\_Clover](#): > > > > A while back, Orcas were given a significant boost to shield HP and mid slots … It’s time that freighters … be given additional low slots and the ability to fit a damage control. > > It isn’t that I like being right but > > No. Wait. Who am I kidding? I fkn LOVE being right. I doubt anyone has a clue as to what you are talking about. Anyway. My suggestion should be welcomed by gankers who fear their easy income and tear stream going away. If freighters gained an additional lo slot, plus the ability to fit a damage control unit, it would mean some people would fit 4 cargo expanders and become even easier targets than before. But for those of us who wish to be able to choose the option of decent cargo/non paper tank, the option would become available ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/115 "2020-02-04T23:24:03Z")
> [@Lucia\_Clover](#): > > It’s more than a freighter can do. A freighter can only move cargo. Costs a lot more than orca, yet has a hugely inferior tank. The only way to get the tank to be even half decent is to sacrifice 70% of potential hauling capacity. And what’s your point? The freighter is specialized in maximum volume. If you want the versatility of an Orca then you get a cargo capacity nerf to match. > It’s time that freighters received the Orca treatment. Perhaps freighters should be given additional low slots and the ability to fit a damage control. You still haven’t even provided the slightest bit of evidence for why freighters need a buff. What exactly should the cargo value threshold be for a successful suicide gank? How many ganks per day should the average be? And what is your justification for the answers you give? ---
**Author:** ![Lucia\_Clover](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucia_clover/32/184851_2.png) [@Lucia\_Clover](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucia_Clover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/116 "2020-02-04T23:25:54Z")
The balance will be right when gankers stop regularly blowing up low value freighters because it’s so cheap to do. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/117 "2020-02-04T23:26:40Z")
> [@Lucia\_Clover](#): > > The balance will be right when gankers stop regularly blowing up low value freighters because it’s so cheap to do. Translation: the balance will be right when I stop being sh1t at EVE and losing my Freighters all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Lucia\_Clover](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucia_clover/32/184851_2.png) [@Lucia\_Clover](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucia_Clover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/118 "2020-02-04T23:27:25Z")
I understand your fears. You do not wish to lose your ezmode income and tear source. Do not worry friend. Even with my suggested changes, you will still find targets. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/119 "2020-02-04T23:28:14Z")
> [@Lucia\_Clover](#): > > The balance will be right when gankers stop regularly blowing up low value freighters because it’s so cheap to do. Then provide some numbers. What should the minimum freighter value be for it to be a “legitimate” gank? How many times per day is it acceptable for a low-value freighter to be ganked just for fun? All I see here is more carebear whining about how PvP exists and needs to be nerfed, more of the same “just one more small PvP nerf” nonsense that only ends when PvP is entirely removed from highsec. If you get a HP buff you’ll be right back to demanding more and insisting that it wasn’t enough, that too many freighters are still dying. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/120 "2020-02-04T23:29:30Z")
Hang on. Did you just assume my ganking?? YOU ASSUMED GANKING? IN 20 FKN 20??!!!?!?!!???!?!?!!?!???!?!?!?! ASSUMING IS A FKN HATE CRIME!!! ---
**Author:** ![Lucia\_Clover](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucia_clover/32/184851_2.png) [@Lucia\_Clover](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucia_Clover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169/121 "2020-02-04T23:30:47Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > > [@Lucia\_Clover](#): > > > > The balance will be right when gankers stop regularly blowing up low value freighters because it’s so cheap to do. > > Then provide some numbers. What should the minimum freighter value be for it to be a “legitimate” gank? How many times per day is it acceptable for a low-value freighter to be ganked just for fun? > > All I see here is more carebear whining about how PvP exists and needs to be nerfed, more of the same “just one more small PvP nerf” nonsense that only ends when PvP is entirely removed from highsec. If you get a HP buff you’ll be right back to demanding more and insisting that it wasn’t enough, that too many freighters are still dying. You can’t put an exact number on it. The amount would be speculation. Freighters have long needed a buff. Orca got the same treatment and it’s in a good place now. You can tank it well, without sacrificing 70% of its effectiveness at its only role. Freighter pilots should have more flexablility to tank without sacrificing so massively their efficiency at their only role. This is a fair thing to say. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/freighters-are-too-cost-effective-to-suicide-gank-need-hp-increase/217169.md?page=7)