# Frig Holes Have to go **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Tags:** wormhole\ **Created:** [October 1, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547 "2021-10-01T22:53:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/62 "2021-11-01T16:42:25Z")
Why? Do you want more SAFETY? This SAFETY thing become like a plague across threads… ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/63 "2021-11-02T17:06:10Z")
> [@EvilShallFall](#): > > The crux of the problem with frig holes is the exact same as AFK cloaky campers. I don’t think the situations are analogous. AFK cloaky camping was an issue because it was a player impacting other players while not actively playing the game. You couldn’t tell if someone was there or not, and there was no way to catch him or stop him if he wasn’t. Frig holes are a game mechanic, not a player activity. Just because one exists doesn’t mean that there is anyone on the other side actively hunting. Given the probabilities, there usually isn’t. And just because you can’t roll the hole doesn’t mean you can’t do other things to it to slow down an attacker. Also, it took like ten years of a drumbeat if complaining to get CCP to address it. At this rate, you have 9 more years of complaining to do. EDIT: I didn’t see Gerard’s comment until I posted, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/64 "2021-11-02T17:15:57Z")
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**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/65 "2021-11-12T17:07:46Z")
If frig holes are going to remain in the game, there has to be some counter-play to them or their lifespan needs to be shorter. ---
**Author:** ![DragoFire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragofire/32/257926_2.png) [@DragoFire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DragoFire)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/66 "2021-11-12T17:55:16Z")
what you mean like a Smartbomb Battleship, or Cloaked T3C’s only reason players are pissed about Frigate Holes is they can’t bring in Battleships and Capitals, and the defence has all those. you just need to think about what’s the best counter for frigate hole fleets, and home system defence fleets _(depending on which side of the engagement your on)_ learn to play the game, it’s all about finding ways to counter someone else’s ideas, if you can’t then you’re playing the wrong game. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/67 "2021-11-12T17:57:03Z")
Smartbombs cant be used near wormholes. Cloaked t3c have a lock timer penalty long enough for frigs/pods to escape. The issue with frig holes is that they destroy all content, not that people can’t get battleships in – there’s plenty of other holes for that. You are talking out of your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/68 "2021-11-12T18:50:33Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > If frig holes are going to remain in the game, there has to be some counter-play to them or their lifespan needs to be shorter. Counterplay to frigate holes? Have you tried setting [a fleet with Vorton Projectors](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-change-vorton-projector-effect-when-wormhole-are-targetted/335558) to shoot at the wormhole or a highly resistant target next to the wormhole to kill all small ships that come through? Apparently that cannot be countered, according to that thread. And it is the counter to frigate holes, which cannot be countered according to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/70 "2021-11-12T19:06:12Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > Why would I sit a fleet of vorton projectors on a frig hole unless I’m doing an eviction? Well, do you want to rat in absolute safety or not? You could of course risk ratting while only keeping an eye on the frigate hole, but from this thread I understand that is too dangerous for you. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/71 "2021-11-12T19:08:05Z")
“Well, do you want to rat in absolute safety or not?” How does someone rat absolutely safely in a wormhole? You’ve never heard of rage rolling I assume, which doesn’t surprise me, considering you’ve never been in Jspace. I don’t live in Nullsec, therefore I don’t comment on intricate nullsec mechanics. See how that works? Not commenting on stuff you don’t know about? Why are you commenting on this? You don’t live in wormholes, you’ve never lived in wormholes, from 9 pages of your KB you’ve never fought in a wormhole – what are you doing trying to pretend like you know whats best for wormholes when you don’t live here? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/72 "2021-11-12T19:18:25Z")
Why I am commenting? Because I believe that you shouldn’t be able to rat in absolute safety in any part of space. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/73 "2021-11-12T19:19:02Z")
Oh this is gold. How does one rat absolutely safely in a wormhole? Do tell. I’ll offer 5billion isk for the secret! ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/74 "2021-11-12T19:23:22Z")
Close holes and keep eye on new sigs. Don’t use a ship that pins you in space for 5 minutes during which time new holes might appear. Now the only danger you face is from ships that are already cloaked in system with you, but by using ships with a surplus of hitpoints (not the minimum hp max ticks fits) and a defence fleet nearby you would survive an attack from the cloakies as they cannot cyno in backup. Am I close? ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/75 "2021-11-12T19:24:54Z")
Not even close to close, you have no idea what you are talking about Im surprised you have the balls to continue acting like you do. Do tell, how do kills like this happen: > **[Revelation | Desmios Sanguis | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/96525663/)** > > Desmios Sanguis (10th Crusade) lost their Revelation in J100415 (E-R00025). Final Blow by Mare Flint (Hard Knocks Inc.) flying in a Leshak. Total Value: 7,205,027,168.83 ISK and this: > **[Revelation | Adelin JH | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/96589754/)** > > Adelin JH (Warriors of the Golden Lion) lost their Revelation in J164732 (E-R00028). Final Blow by Malkaedofiz (Hard Knocks Inc.) flying in a Guardian. Total Value: 5,968,630,680.77 ISK and this: > **[Zirnitra | 0nelastGoodbye | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/96534926/)** > > 0nelastGoodbye (The Curse of Distant Stars) lost their Zirnitra in J131505 (E-R00028). Final Blow by Kale-En Tarken (Hard Knocks Inc.) flying in a Ikitursa. Total Value: 18,007,588,302.64 ISK and these: > **[Phoenix | Hermus | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/96534882/)** > > Hermus (The Curse of Distant Stars) lost their Phoenix in J131505 (E-R00028). Final Blow by InstinctiveKiller (Hard Knocks Inc.) flying in a Ikitursa. Total Value: 7,485,199,568.42 ISK > **[Capsule | 0nelastGoodbye | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/96534927/)** > > 0nelastGoodbye (The Curse of Distant Stars) lost their Capsule in J131505 (E-R00028). Final Blow by Mick Fightmaster (Hard Knocks Inc.) flying in a Ikitursa. Total Value: 3,227,704,564.31 ISK > **[Naglfar | Radimir Lenin | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/96500587/)** > > Radimir Lenin (The Dark Space Initiative) lost their Naglfar in Anckee (Solitude). Final Blow by Mare Flint (Hard Knocks Inc.) flying in a Leshak. Total Value: 4,471,297,706.14 ISK > **[Revelation | Yiliana | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/96605660/)** > > Yiliana (Outfit 418) lost their Revelation in J125101 (E-R00028). Final Blow by Dendy Li (Inner Hell) flying in a Loki. Total Value: 5,097,671,340.69 ISK How does this happen, where are the gankers coming from? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/76 "2021-11-12T19:25:24Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Don’t use a ship that pins you in space for 5 minutes during which time new holes might appear. This perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/77 "2021-11-12T19:26:15Z")
Where do the gankers come from? If you can rat in absolute safety, how are they getting in there? Is it magic? You know a lot about wormholes, so I’m sure you can tell us. Where are these guys coming from? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/78 "2021-11-12T19:28:43Z")
They came through a hole, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/79 "2021-11-12T19:29:13Z")
How does the hole get there? What causes the hole to spawn? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/80 "2021-11-12T19:30:29Z")
Well it spawned. While the dread pilots were sieged and unable to get away. Which is why I said that to rat in safety you > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Don’t use a ship that pins you in space for 5 minutes during which time new holes might appear. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/81 "2021-11-12T19:31:11Z")
A very specific mechanic was used by the enemy fleet to force the hole to spawn; it didn’t just appear randomly as a wanderer. Do you know the name of that mechanic? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547/82 "2021-11-12T19:32:17Z")
Of course not, like you said I rarely go to wormholes. All I say is that it shouldn’t be possible to rat in safety. You want more safety while ratting and I’m saying that is bad for the game. Done? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frig-holes-have-to-go/330547.md?page=5)