# From Extraction To Production: Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [November 20, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887 "2021-11-20T00:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 124
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2514 "2021-12-08T17:39:15Z")
> [@Tsumi\_Tzestu](#): > > Rorqual has it way worst than the Orca for “afkness” vs reward, yet it’s the Orca getting nuked out of existance The rorqual has been hammered and CCP are just finished confirming additional bonuses to the orca that put it back where it was before but needing fuel. But next year it gets compression as well. It’s a fair trade off for what is now a negligible nerf ---
**Author:** ![John\_Snowfox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_snowfox/32/299803_2.png) [@John\_Snowfox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Snowfox)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2515 "2021-12-08T17:46:56Z")
Reading posts like this makes me think that maybe it was a bad time for me to join EVE. The playerbase doesn’t seem to be the happiest bunch. If those here are to be believed, the devs have lost their way and it’s only going to get worse. The fact that apparently they allowed themselves to get acquired a few years ago isn’t promising either, because companies that are passionate about their business don’t get acquired. I think I remember now why I don’t play multiplayer games. They change. ---
**Author:** ![Olorion\_Endergard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/olorion_endergard/32/300165_2.png) [@Olorion\_Endergard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Olorion_Endergard)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2516 "2021-12-08T17:52:22Z")
AFK not AFK playing…is really irrelevant. Nerfing ‘overall mining’ is nerfing the game for the average player. Nobody wants to see the cost of everything go up not only in terms of isk, but the amount of time + number of accounts it will now take to do the same things in Industry. Gun mining in L4’s shouldn’t be better than actual mining, but here we are. Rich players/Vets/Large Alliances don’t care because they are still sitting on stockpiles and can use what they have to not only make more money than they got it for, or produce less expensive ships, or just keep on waiting it out and hoarding. What do any of these changes do to actually make the game more fun? Mining overhaul = more fun for gankers not miners? Probably not even for them since there will be less Rorqs (possibly just miners in general judging by the unsub posts on Reddit) on grid to hunt. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2517 "2021-12-08T18:00:45Z")
Reality is that this forum is generally a bit of a screaming, exaggerating echo chamber. Folks only come here to complain. Think of it as a very loud minority. The QAnon of eve. If you are enjoying the game…… keep enjoying it…… it’s going to be around for a long time yet. ---
**Author:** ![Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tsumi_tzestu/32/289769_2.png) [@Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tsumi_Tzestu)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2518 "2021-12-08T18:01:03Z")
![eve_online_ice_harvesting_asldkn-eve_online_ice_harvesting_asldkn](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/d/1/2d1bdd462684cf5b7eb77762b71aec48a399e248.png) This was before 2014 update called “odyssey” you could warp in an ice system and find this beauty , it would go on from one end to the other a distance of ~750km thousands of ice chunks , i would see many mackinaw mining those which was the best around ship for it. ![15012015064020ice-field-asteroids](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/d/7/ad74f68e95c3fdcebca24d2ee5929311340b6df5.jpeg) this is what we get now … system wide ice fields have move to anomalies that can be depleted… I found that out recently in august when i came back from hiatus . what a huge disapointment… now you making even more disapointment with the changes done to belts with the logistics required to navigate thru that pile of dogpoop. ![__SiSI_belts](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/4/e/f4ec57d4487ad7d75e0c70944281dc3631f49593.jpeg) Gross. With belts looking like this. Even if you would give the Orca +900% drone mining yield i wouldn’t mine that. The logistics behind mining asteroids like these is just absurd. the Quality of Life is more important than any amount of mining yield. Heck i was fine with the 125% (new) vs 150% (old) yield because it’s not really a matter of gotta mine fast or gotta make more profits , it’s a matter of enjoying mining. This is not enjoyable. this is a chore. this is painful. Either revert that ugly mess you’ve done to belts , or give us something to work around that mess you’ve created. It doesn’t matter if you give a buff to the nerf you’ve done to the yield or even slightly increase it to "cover the fuel cost oops Teehee we didn’t think that thru sorry! " if we now have to deal with that mess!!! i don’t care if the quantity of ores are doubled if it’s to be looking like this!!! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Snowfox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_snowfox/32/299803_2.png) [@John\_Snowfox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Snowfox)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2519 "2021-12-08T18:35:25Z")
I dunno. I’m new so of course I have no idea how people reacted to previous updates. But surely it can’t be the norm for a change to be so poorly received. ---
**Author:** ![Pinaka\_Hakoke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pinaka_hakoke/32/290513_2.png) [@Pinaka\_Hakoke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pinaka_Hakoke)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2520 "2021-12-08T18:37:25Z")
what about endurance mass change? 1.600.000 pre-patch and 2.000.000 now. Endurance lost \<2 sec align fit. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2521 "2021-12-08T18:41:41Z")
People don’t like change. Eve has been “dying” since it’s first patch. ---
**Author:** ![Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tsumi_tzestu/32/289769_2.png) [@Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tsumi_Tzestu)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2522 "2021-12-08T18:47:05Z")
> [@John\_Snowfox](#): > > I dunno. I’m new so of course I have no idea how people reacted to previous updates. But surely it can’t be the norm for a change to be so poorly received. i’ve never cared for the other major updates, balance rebalancing stuff being removed or moved elsewhere sure those things happens all the time in a game with this player driven economy. This change tho it’s very bad they touched alot of things all at once affecting multiple aspect not just focusing on one. And some of the decisions behind those changes are blatant cash grab… Unthought out changes to simple game mechanic etc. —These changes tho only affects industrials, miners, PvP Gankers… If you were running missions/incursions/ratting/abyssals these doesn’t affect you one bit which is what most people do anyway. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2523 "2021-12-08T19:27:27Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > What about your other 10 alts? 50 medium drones sounds pretty beefy. Following that logic why some gankers are crying on some barges ehp buff? All they need is more alts too. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2524 "2021-12-08T19:28:05Z")
Very true, though I have to say I havent seen that yet. But certainly true. ---
**Author:** ![ntopios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ntopios/32/253890_2.png) [@ntopios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ntopios)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2525 "2021-12-08T19:28:08Z")
didn t u go left and right and told the public it was your doing and you where so happy and you where so prepared for the changes? i also remember the thing you bragged about people now can fly caracals . Want me to link your interviews in talking in stations asterothy and maybe you went somewhere else too. You made your in game wallet bigger while destroying the game enjoy the criticism now ,if not go to your friend materral to hold your hand . ---
**Author:** ![ntopios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ntopios/32/253890_2.png) [@ntopios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ntopios)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2526 "2021-12-08T19:32:53Z")
> [@Kenneth\_Feld](#): > > “relevance” is the Orca is too easy to AFK mine in. You may not use it that way, but plrnty of others have riuned it for you. > > AFK gameplay isn’t really eve, it is being logged in while you watch TV and glance at your computer every time there is a commercial who are you to decide what is and what is not acceptable gameplay ?who uses orca this days it is so expensive and pretty gangable in hs. null u must be crazy to filed it . thx to your industry patch now everything is too expensive to buy or replace , while income went to 0 . now you can play with the 20k player base it will go further down do not wry i believe in you . ---
**Author:** ![John\_Snowfox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_snowfox/32/299803_2.png) [@John\_Snowfox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Snowfox)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2527 "2021-12-08T19:46:47Z")
I really think CCP should be explaining their reasoning better, or at all. The questions being shouted loudest begin with “Why?” So maybe answer those. ---
**Author:** ![SportBilly](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sportbilly/32/453293_2.png) [@SportBilly](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SportBilly)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2528 "2021-12-08T20:16:04Z")
And from that statement you obviously have no idea how industry works in this game. If i am mining a belt in an orca (although not any more! like so many other things i no longer am able to do without making a loss) i can be chatting to other players all around the world, i can be sorting contracts which can take me an hour. Or i can be warping another character the 50 odd jumps to Jita and then back again taking another 2 hours. Please define how this isn’t playing the game? This short shortsightedness is whats ruining the game, turning it into a pay per pew pew game. The less people on grid means less manufacturing and less content for everyone including those who enjoy pvp. And the asteroid belts are a total shambles i bounced off one at near warp speed after warping in and ended up 60km away ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2529 "2021-12-08T20:38:08Z")
> [@ntopios](#): > > who are you to decide what is and what is not acceptable gameplay ?who uses orca this days it is so expensive and pretty gangable in hs. null u must be crazy to filed it . thx to your industry patch now everything is too expensive to buy or replace , while income went to 0 . now you can play with the 20k player base it will go further down do not wry i believe in you . I use whales in null, as well as exhumers. You’re mistaking something, null is the safest place to be in eve online. WH space is pretty carebearish too, but it’s kind of random and unpredictable, so while it’s very unlikely to happen, it can randomly turn into hell very quickly, while null doesn’t. Said so earlier in this thread already I think, in null an orca and a bunch of barges basically return of invest in a day of mining. More barge alts = faster return of investment. It’s the highseccers, especially those who use a whale w/o ‘Covetor’ Mining Drones, ‘Retriever’ Mining Drones, ‘Procurer’ Mining Drones or their T2 variants, that fail to generate revenue with the whales. ---
**Author:** ![Garet\_Jackyard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garet_jackyard/32/417679_2.png) [@Garet\_Jackyard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garet_Jackyard)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2530 "2021-12-08T21:53:49Z")
I have similar observations. With each new patch, the game gets worse for the miners. Being cannon fodder has gotten boring, and the manually operated economy has become too intrusive. One of my accounts I closed permanently one year ago. I think it’s time to suspend another. The CCP is too deaf and arrogant to notice that the players are leaving. No wonder there are so many EVE escapees in the RSI. ---
**Author:** ![Garet\_Jackyard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garet_jackyard/32/417679_2.png) [@Garet\_Jackyard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garet_Jackyard)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2531 "2021-12-08T22:01:49Z")
Following your logic Hi-Sec should be safe, not be a playground for guys who like to shoot anything that moves and can’t defend themselves. I would have used a stronger phrase, but the CCP’s censorship may be indignant. ---
**Author:** ![Child\_of\_Xairale](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/child_of_xairale/32/300219_2.png) [@Child\_of\_Xairale](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Child_of_Xairale)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2532 "2021-12-08T22:15:10Z")
“Gross”. Someone finally mentioned it, I thought it was just me. Whilst I don’t spend hours reading dev blogs or testing in a parallel SiSi universe…I didn’t see this coming. Why oh why are the regular ore fields changed to anom types?? Another solution to a problem that didn’t exist? Edited for clarity. ---
**Author:** ![Cara\_Lube](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cara_lube/32/297237_2.png) [@Cara\_Lube](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cara_Lube)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2533 "2021-12-08T22:26:58Z")
> [@Kenneth\_Feld](#): > > The only “relevance” is the Orca is too easy to AFK mine in. You may not use it that way, but plrnty of others have riuned it for you. > > AFK gameplay isn’t really eve, it is being logged in while you watch TV and glance at your computer every time there is a commercial but this change is exactly reverting to this previous state wich is plain stupid. while not adressing the problem created by the LiC wich is a reduction in support potential by sacraficing a highslot for a boost or remote rep/s-boost and on top its a poormans bastion module with all its drawbacks (impedence bonus) without its defensive increases. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=123) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=125)