# From Extraction To Production: Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [November 20, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887 "2021-11-20T00:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 127
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2574 "2021-12-09T14:50:56Z")
Thats actually the one thing that does irk me. I dont like the RNG of this at all. Like the example above……stopping the strips mid cycle to try and maximise against waste. If there is no waste you have to go again with an even shorter cycle………and so on and so on. That does feel like we are being penalised a bit. I get why they did it. They couldn’t take 34% from every cycle because of ice (you cant waste 34% of 1). So they had to make it a 34% chance of a whole. But i dont think this RNG at the end of a cycle was intended………its just what we get because of how its been implemented. Its not a huge issue. But it could benefit form som QOL tweaks. ---
**Author:** ![Vexxor\_Aivo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vexxor_aivo/32/442061_2.png) [@Vexxor\_Aivo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vexxor_Aivo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2575 "2021-12-09T15:13:15Z")
Oh for sure. I don’t get hit with the problem I described very often as I watch the volume and cut off my cycle times. But waste does take from ore in certain situations was all I was getting at. I don’t afk so it’s a non issue for me. ---
**Author:** ![Vexxor\_Aivo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vexxor_aivo/32/442061_2.png) [@Vexxor\_Aivo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vexxor_Aivo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2576 "2021-12-09T15:15:17Z")
Yep I know. Makes a great shot game. If this cycle shows waste we do a shot! So even if you have lots of waste at least you’re full of spirit to lessen the hurt 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2577 "2021-12-09T15:25:09Z")
And the game shall be called………. WASTED. Coz your waste gets you wasted. Lets Trademark it ---
**Author:** ![Vexxor\_Aivo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vexxor_aivo/32/442061_2.png) [@Vexxor\_Aivo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vexxor_Aivo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2578 "2021-12-09T15:37:37Z")
^^ we shall be rich!. Like…old days of eve playing rich! ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Randy\_Rachel\_Gallavant](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/randy_rachel_gallavant/32/375354_2.png) [@Randy\_Rachel\_Gallavant](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Randy_Rachel_Gallavant)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2579 "2021-12-09T15:37:55Z")
Eve never once bought me a beer. ---
**Author:** ![Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pierre_de_bricassart/32/386093_2.png) [@Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pierre_de_Bricassart)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2580 "2021-12-09T16:06:34Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Yes. There is a waste first mechanic. so if an asteriod has 2k m3 and your yield is 1.8k m3 then if you trigger waste there will be 1.8k m3 waste and 0.2k m3 in your hold. That means if the roid has less volume than twice the cycle yield, there’s a chance of losing ore from the cycle. So leave the remnants for the T1 cleaning squad would be another solution. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2581 "2021-12-09T16:09:06Z")
Thats a good suggestion. I like it. ---
**Author:** ![Cara\_Lube](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cara_lube/32/297237_2.png) [@Cara\_Lube](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cara_Lube)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2582 "2021-12-09T16:40:27Z")
or leave it to your t1 mining drones ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2583 "2021-12-09T17:09:54Z")
I think this is a good example of how bad things can get when you take too much player input for patch revisions. Other than the compression mechanic which certainly needs work, the original form of this was better in every way, excluding the bugs in the deployment naturally ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2584 "2021-12-09T17:12:52Z")
I use an orca regularly. Make billions upon billions of isk with it. In many regions and systems in null, and high sec ---
**Author:** ![Harley-1998\_Davidson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harley-1998_davidson/32/390884_2.png) [@Harley-1998\_Davidson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harley-1998_Davidson)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2585 "2021-12-09T17:43:06Z")
yup yup last ten years made a butt load yup ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2586 "2021-12-09T18:32:42Z")
freshly spawned 14-day pull on highsec athenor, and a survey scan: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/1/c/51cfd3e788b2f40d53fa481e8369aa912c6911fe.jpeg) ore m^3 doesn’t look all that “doubled”, in fact it looks very much like it did 3 days ago on another 2 week pull that popped right before the update. With the waste, it’s 37% less ore then last week I guess (not really, i’ll just go lurk in event sites instead of mining this, asteros are way better isk/time then R4 is, anyways). ---
**Author:** ![WindRider9](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/windrider9/32/280759_2.png) [@WindRider9](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WindRider9)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2587 "2021-12-09T18:55:04Z")
lol. uh huh ---
**Author:** ![Test\_Pilot\_472](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/test_pilot_472/32/300268_2.png) [@Test\_Pilot\_472](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Test_Pilot_472)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2588 "2021-12-09T18:57:05Z")
Yes visually doubled. M^3 - not so much. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2589 "2021-12-09T19:03:51Z")
I’m feeling sorry for the current devs, I know why some have left now. I’m mothballing my accounts and I’ll keep an eye n the game to see if it changes. ---
**Author:** ![Vexor\_Flexer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vexor_flexer/32/299449_2.png) [@Vexor\_Flexer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vexor_Flexer)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2590 "2021-12-09T19:46:29Z")
All I want is better mining ships why can’t we have battleship size mining ships first t1 then t2 then a marauder style ship with bastion for mining, I dont like booster ships I want big mining ships that can mine well and boost them selves with bastion or something I want more than 2 mining lasers on my ship, I’d love to get into mining more and put more skill points into it but I just can’t get into the mining ships currently in game I want bigger and better to aim for and ship prices are ridiculous atm probably going to unsub at the end of the month as they game is just not doing anything new just changing current ships here and there. ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2591 "2021-12-09T20:10:32Z")
Just use your login reward instead of reproccing it for 1 Tritanium, or selling it (for way more then the 1trit price) > [Praxis, \*Simulated Praxis Fitting] > Mining Laser Upgrade II > Co-Processor II > Mining Laser Upgrade II > Mining Laser Upgrade II > Mining Laser Upgrade II > Co-Processor II > Mining Laser Upgrade II > > Miner II > Miner II > Miner II > Miner II > Miner II > Miner II > > Large Processor Overclocking Unit I > Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Similar fits can be done with T2 Battleships. Scaling up to capital class can also be done, as was displayed in the past already … > **[Erebus | Dailang | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/43602012/)** > > Dailang (EVE NT and I Want Isk) lost their Erebus in Ishomilken (The Citadel). Final Blow by Duramah (Immortalis Inc.) flying in a Proteus. Total Value: 86,664,543,210.31 ISK > **[Avatar | Vlad Split | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/84676335/)** > > Vlad Split (Ave mne Ave) lost their Avatar in Adeel (Everyshore). Final Blow by viksoo (Unleashed' Fury) flying in a Kikimora. Total Value: 64,678,308,731.80 ISK > **[Ragnarok | Acwron | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/26155560/)** > > Acwron (Meet The Fockers) lost their Ragnarok in J-OAH2 (The Kalevala Expanse). Final Blow by musgrattio (BURN EDEN) flying in a Nyx. Total Value: 367,196,993,236.34 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Grokan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grokan_eriker/32/388490_2.png) [@Grokan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grokan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2592 "2021-12-09T21:07:46Z")
All of the complaints of these kind of people are of the “I hate that this miner that does something I hate can make 1/10th of what I make by doing that thing I hate. How dare those miners make 6-8 whole freaking million isk per hour doing something I hate?! And how dare them do that outside my control in a null bloc?!” variety. That dude specifically, when he’s doing TiS, always comes off as talking about Untermensch when he talks about miners, SPECIALLY hi-sec miners. Just remind yourself that these people hate that you can still make a meager living doing what _you_ like in a supposedly sandbox game. P.S.: BTW, just dare make the suggestion that would **actually** cure the problem, namely limiting active clients to _two_ per person. Watch the heads explode… ---
**Author:** ![Shalmon\_Aliatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shalmon_aliatus/32/392805_2.png) [@Shalmon\_Aliatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shalmon_Aliatus)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/2593 "2021-12-09T21:31:20Z")
The problem here is afk Orcas in ice belts in moon and ice belts. Those are a problem, especially in highsec, where you have no method of effectively removing them outside of ganking. The other option would have been to drastically reduce the amount of ore inside moon and ice roids, so you can not just park next to a roid, do something else for an hour and come back to collect your ore. That would actually nerf Rorquals as well, so it would be a good idea. My guess why CCP did not go that route is that to keep ice and moon ore amounts the same, they would need to increase the amount of asteroids in the belts at the same time, putting more objects on the server. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=126) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=128)