# From Extraction To Production: Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [November 20, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887 "2021-11-20T00:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![aldarrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldarrin/32/279769_2.png) [@aldarrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aldarrin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/430 "2021-11-20T15:47:06Z")
They won’t do that because that would lead to fewer Omega accounts, money they need to pay staff, buy equipment, pay bills, and cut dividend checks. ---
**Author:** ![Bokerman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bokerman/32/297561_2.png) [@Bokerman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bokerman)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/431 "2021-11-20T15:48:21Z")
but other players will join the game due to the social aspect rather than you vs 1 with 10 multiboxers ---
**Author:** ![Cernac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cernac/32/250513_2.png) [@Cernac](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cernac)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/432 "2021-11-20T15:48:40Z")
the number of accounts is not the real issue, its what all those accounts do that is the issue. simply put caps on the ISP, one rorq / Orca online at a time. that wipes that slate clean and doesnt screw the normal small gang miners. I,ve seen 8 orcas in the same belt all afk mining. the guy didnt even try to hide it. Miner 1, Miner 2 etc etc . If they can do it with omega and alpha accounts they can put another parameter in there to take care of this. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/433 "2021-11-20T15:49:22Z")
You dont think the people allegedly cancelling their 20 subs in threads like this are playing for any kind of social aspect, do you? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Insane\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_insane_one/32/446904_2.png) [@The\_Insane\_One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Insane_One)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/434 "2021-11-20T15:52:53Z")
spodbrain 1-999 in/around amarr lol ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Psych](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_psych/32/268632_2.png) [@CCP\_Psych](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Psych)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/435 "2021-11-20T15:53:21Z")
34% chance to have waste. ---
**Author:** ![aldarrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldarrin/32/279769_2.png) [@aldarrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aldarrin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/436 "2021-11-20T15:53:49Z")
> [@Cernac](#): > > I,ve seen 8 orcas in the same belt all afk mining. the guy didnt even try to hide it. Miner 1, Miner 2 etc etc What’s the harm in some dude flying 8 Orcas? That’s 8 Omega accounts providing funding for the game. And 8 targets for lulz ganking. Someone explain to me how this is harmful to the game? Are we running out of Veldspar or something? ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/437 "2021-11-20T15:56:00Z")
Those people are almost all full of ■■■■. I’m unsubbing my 6043 accounts reeeee!?!?!! Total ■■■■■■■■. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > krabby Says the dude with 2 lifetime kills. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hazra\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazra_ellecon/32/423072_2.png) [@Hazra\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazra_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/438 "2021-11-20T16:01:05Z")
Based on the initial spreadsheet, they also took away the fit bonus required to install cloaking devices in a frigate. That took survivability in a really ugly direction. Add that to the other nerfs, and those ships became pretty much useless. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmon\_Aliatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shalmon_aliatus/32/392805_2.png) [@Shalmon\_Aliatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shalmon_Aliatus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/440 "2021-11-20T16:03:01Z")
> [@CCP\_Psych](#): > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/c/7/4c7edb61242de4612f4eb27cc90e613cebeb93fd.png) > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/c/3/1c3a2fb5256d5c0fa9c6bbfd91e0d7e7a335be69.png) > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/f/e/7fe8b46e94a7f7d1f24f6c1e47617d50a23133c7.png) > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/e/3/2e3d39fb4697ddc061289e68e6f8c449f3722feb.png) > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/2/3/523915a8bf6e7f3d135d4e8f48cbaaae709195e1.png) Can we get Orca added to this? @CCP_Psych @CCP_Swift ---
**Author:** ![Cernac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cernac/32/250513_2.png) [@Cernac](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cernac)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/441 "2021-11-20T16:06:13Z")
same as flying 8 rorquals, If CCP is saying that’s what is ruining the economy, forcing them too inflict this crap on all miners then I say nerf them not everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Heavy\_Met4l\_Queen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/heavy_met4l_queen/32/296347_2.png) [@Heavy\_Met4l\_Queen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Heavy_Met4l_Queen)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/442 "2021-11-20T16:15:13Z")
No. Piss off. ---
**Author:** ![aldarrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldarrin/32/279769_2.png) [@aldarrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aldarrin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/443 "2021-11-20T16:17:00Z")
The Orca has 15% the mining capability of a Rorqual. That’s with rigs, augmented drones, max skills. So, no it’s not: > [@Cernac](#): > > same as flying 8 rorquals, If CCP is saying that’s what is ruining the economy, forcing them too inflict this crap on all miners then I say nerf them not everyone else. 8 Orcas ~= 1.2 Rorquals (1.2 is a lot less than 8 dude). I simply don’t believe any straw man arguments that this is ruining the economy any more than 1 dude in Null in a Rorqual is ruining the economy. Again, explain to me _why_ it is bad for the game that 1 person can do this, because I don’t see it. Is it because it makes other people jealous or something? ---
**Author:** ![Cernac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cernac/32/250513_2.png) [@Cernac](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cernac)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/444 "2021-11-20T16:22:15Z")
Ask the guys in Charge, they are the ones inflicting us with more unneeded changes, they are the ones nerfing the Orca and Rorqual saying they are too powerful as miners. And in my opinion if some guy is out mining with more than 1 rorq or 1 orca he is cheating the game dynamics and should be nerfed instead of us all. ---
**Author:** ![Cernac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cernac/32/250513_2.png) [@Cernac](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cernac)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/445 "2021-11-20T16:25:50Z")
> [@aldarrin](#): > > Again, explain to me _why_ it is bad for the game that 1 person can do this, because I don’t see it. Is it because it makes other people jealous or something? Is that your way of saying " I’m rich I can do as I wish"? ---
**Author:** ![aldarrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldarrin/32/279769_2.png) [@aldarrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aldarrin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/446 "2021-11-20T16:27:07Z")
No. I have three accounts. Will not have more, may go less. It’s my way of saying, as I clearly did, that I don’t see the harm in 1 dude with 8 Orcas. Kindly buzz off if you’re not going to argue a point. ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/447 "2021-11-20T16:27:32Z")
thank you for responding i still find it odd that better equipment has higher waste, but so be it. i also still find it a tad ingenuous that solo rorqual mining is still being called out as a bad thing, when the real issue is locust fleets. my only comment as you work on the boosting ships is to keep in mind that if ore transfer is taking place between miners and the boost ship, the shared hangar needs to be large enough to accommodate multiple transactions. (the current poproise fleet hangar is smaller than the covetor ore hangar, so simply not efffective) looking forward to seeing how all this will actually work ---
**Author:** ![Shalmon\_Aliatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shalmon_aliatus/32/392805_2.png) [@Shalmon\_Aliatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shalmon_Aliatus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/448 "2021-11-20T16:34:40Z")
Why so hostile? I am 100% fine with the Orca taking a step back and leaning more towards the support role for mining fleets. I am merely interested in where the ore/ice output of the Orca compared to the others is currently on TQ and where it will be after the patch, since it will get changed. ---
**Author:** ![Torrent\_Talon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/torrent_talon/32/331138_2.png) [@Torrent\_Talon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Torrent_Talon)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/449 "2021-11-20T16:42:30Z")
Miner I mines 40m³/cycle (0.75m³/s) Miner II mines 60m³/cycle (1m³/s) these are base numbers, now i’m not sure where you failed to factor in the fact that’s a 50% base increase for a 34% waste chance. i literally don’t see an issue here. they’re increasing the amount of resources yet again too. ---
**Author:** ![q\_Hakoke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/q_hakoke/32/351692_2.png) [@q\_Hakoke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/q_Hakoke)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/450 "2021-11-20T16:42:32Z")
I do have one suggestion. Simple, easy suggestion. Remove the giant nerf to T2 strips without a crystal installed. The end result is that a T2 harvester mines just slightly more, like 1% tops at top skills vs smae skill T1 T2 using pilots should get an option to have no waste, or increase yields by creating waste, or the spite crystals, which is great. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=23)