# From Extraction To Production: Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [November 20, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887 "2021-11-20T00:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Lodemai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lodemai/32/374211_2.png) [@Lodemai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lodemai)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/471 "2021-11-20T17:10:43Z")
> [@Jim\_Halescott](#): > > But for Orca pilots, maybe all the other ships in the fleet which are ongrid, can “loan” their mining drones to the Orca, so that the Orca pilot can control them all (20 Skiffs + 1 Orca is 105 Mining Drones on grid) Oh I like it, something like if barges set their drones on assist to the Orca, and if they do they get Orca’s bonus ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/472 "2021-11-20T17:11:21Z")
> [@WyredHardware](#): > > And at a massive SP loss for those of us that actually put the time and subscription fees in to train those rorq pilots. > > I dont think that asking for a 1-1 redistrubition of those SP is at all unreasonable If you trained and used those Rorquals years ago in their golden days, you already benefited enough from their unbalanced high yield. If you trained Rorquals for their high yield even after CCP said Rorquals broke the game and introduced Scarcity just to deal with the fallout of Rorquals until they would deal with the Rorquals themselves, then it’s kind of your own fault for training them expecting to get the old yield values. Neither group needs free redistribution, the former already gained enough and the latter made the wrong judgement based on information that was already there. I recently trained into a Rorqual and I’m happy to see how the Rorqual rebalance is working out. Maybe I’ll even buy one cheap from someone who is as disappointed as you. ---
**Author:** ![BAMS\_Padecain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bams_padecain/32/297571_2.png) [@BAMS\_Padecain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BAMS_Padecain)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/473 "2021-11-20T17:16:23Z")
If the Orca is going to get nerfed into oblivion, can we at least get a new exhumer type ship that’s built around drone mining? I love the drone mining playstyle that the Orca currently has and would hate for that to go away. I’m fine if a new ship were introduced that is balanced around it. It just kind of sucks, since as a solo miner the Orca was like the big thing to progress to for me and now seeing that go away kind of demotivates me from wanting to play the game anymore since mining in my Orca was the main thing I enjoyed about the game. I get that it needs some kind of nerf since I do believe the Exhumers should be better, but this seems kind of harsh. ---
**Author:** ![q\_Hakoke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/q_hakoke/32/351692_2.png) [@q\_Hakoke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/q_Hakoke)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/474 "2021-11-20T17:17:48Z")
Yes and I suggest that be changed. ---
**Author:** ![WyredHardware](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyredhardware/32/248469_2.png) [@WyredHardware](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WyredHardware)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/475 "2021-11-20T17:19:08Z")
So, I dont belive that rorquals provide an unbalanced yeild. You have years invested into the skills to fly the thing properly. > **[Rorqual | Ship](https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/)** > > Rorqual: 94,540 ships destroyed and 15,945 ships lost. Compared to; > **[Hulk | Ship](https://zkillboard.com/ship/22544/losses/)** > > Hulk: 14,331 ships destroyed and 126,226 ships lost. Alot more hulks may die, but so far today, they dont even make up for 1/2 the isk loss compared to 1 rorq. - Tell me again how good it is to see more hulks in space and less rorquals? ---
**Author:** ![Lodemai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lodemai/32/374211_2.png) [@Lodemai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lodemai)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/476 "2021-11-20T17:19:36Z")
It is not going to be “nerfed into oblivion”, you just have to keep the industrial core up (yes, that costs fuel though) ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/477 "2021-11-20T17:19:51Z")
> [@WyredHardware](#): > > So, I dont belive that rorquals provide an unbalanced yeild. Well many players, including CCP, do. ---
**Author:** ![aldarrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldarrin/32/279769_2.png) [@aldarrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aldarrin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/478 "2021-11-20T17:20:39Z")
I don’t think it’s being nerfed into oblivion but regular mining with it is clearly being nerfed (and again, I don’t see a compelling reason to nerf it). Looks like a stealth boost to ice mining though. Here’s my numbers: > **[Orca Mining Analysis](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oKYJFbJ5ASjNoh59CIGHMl1nvAF_CB_ntb3i-R05HME/edit?usp=sharing)** > > Sheet1 > > Ship Bonuses,Current,Proposed > Orca Mining Drone Bonus,100%,0% > Orca Ice Duration Reduction,25%,0% > T1 Indy Core Mining Bonus,0%,25% > T1 Indy Core Ice Duration Reduction,0%,25% > T2 Indy Core Mining Bonus,0%,75% > T2 Indy Core Ice Duration... Snippet for quick reference: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/3/b/a3b555a22538ec95e817a32addbeb16c82cfcf11.png) ---
**Author:** ![Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tsumi_tzestu/32/289769_2.png) [@Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tsumi_Tzestu)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/479 "2021-11-20T17:22:21Z")
Okay wait… if CCP reverts the changes done to the Porpoise… +10% Mining drone yield per Industrial command level (50%) with the role bonus of +50% mining drone yield that’s 100% without the need of using a CiC to get the Mining drone yield bonuses. VS Orca Industrial Command Ship skill granting 0% Mining Drone Yield , Role bonus granting 0% Mining Drone yield (0%) Requires fuel to operate with the CiC T2 you get a 75% Mining Drone yield… i see that there are very smart people working at CCP and even smarter people in the CSM to propose these changes. Good job guys , good job. ---
**Author:** ![WyredHardware](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyredhardware/32/248469_2.png) [@WyredHardware](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WyredHardware)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/480 "2021-11-20T17:22:24Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > T1. Only ever use T1 modules. T1 Strip miners don’t use _any_ crystals. No complexity. No waste. Just takes longer. But who cares? The AFK orca pilots who now use T1 drones to get twice as much from the same rock over twice the time… so they need to move _even less_? Also, just use covetors, as they almost mine as much as a hulk, and even more than a mackinaw apperntly? - because t1 barges should compete with people whove spent the time and the SUBSCRIPTION COSTS to train something ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/481 "2021-11-20T17:23:20Z")
> [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > reeeee Thats all Im hearing > [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > 2 lifetime kills I dont get it. ---
**Author:** ![WyredHardware](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyredhardware/32/248469_2.png) [@WyredHardware](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WyredHardware)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/482 "2021-11-20T17:23:51Z")
I have had talks with those players; They live in jita 4/4 and use magical teleportation buttons for pvp content. I belive them to be the scum of the game that is rotting eve online from the inside out. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/483 "2021-11-20T17:24:00Z")
> [@aldarrin](#): > > Looks like a stealth boost to ice mining though. Here’s my numbers: Either it’s a stealth boost to ice mining, or someone at CCP is unaware of how reductions in ice cycle time are very different from ore yield bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tsumi_tzestu/32/289769_2.png) [@Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tsumi_Tzestu)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/484 "2021-11-20T17:24:12Z")
you can’t even make a proper spread sheet , the current orca is 150% not 100% you also didn’t account for the Waste of T2 modules ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/485 "2021-11-20T17:25:06Z")
> [@WyredHardware](#): > > I have had talks with those players; Correction: you may have had talks with _some_ of those players. There are people who aren’t living in Jita 4-4 who also think that Rorquals shouldn’t be the pinnacle of mining yield. ---
**Author:** ![Space\_Dust\_Finn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/space_dust_finn/32/447390_2.png) [@Space\_Dust\_Finn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Space_Dust_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/486 "2021-11-20T17:25:25Z")
Just saying i appreciate that the rorq will still be semi valid as a miner. But if you are droping it validity then the seige timer and activation cost also needs to go down. I mean the fuel to run it isnt super expensive just to even it out with use and ability would be nice ---
**Author:** ![Lodemai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lodemai/32/374211_2.png) [@Lodemai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lodemai)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/487 "2021-11-20T17:25:53Z")
50% and 50% do not add up to 100%, they multiply to 75% Bonuses are never additive in EVE (unless specified explicitly as for the new mining crystals) ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_Beldrulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ash_beldrulf/32/473706_2.png) [@Ash\_Beldrulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ash_Beldrulf)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/488 "2021-11-20T17:26:16Z")
Thanks for let me know. I did not know that SiSi was not updated. ---
**Author:** ![aldarrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldarrin/32/279769_2.png) [@aldarrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aldarrin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/489 "2021-11-20T17:26:25Z")
> [@Tsumi\_Tzestu](#): > > you can’t even make a proper spread sheet , the current orca is 150% not 100% > you also didn’t account for the Waste of T2 modules You can’t even troll accurately. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/f/a/7fa0fbbf0af59a254b9689623fa45305794e0bfc.png) > [@CCP\_Psych](#): > > | Industrial Command Skill Bonuses | TQ | New | > | --- | --- | --- | > | Drone Ice Harvesting Cycle Time | -10% | -2% | > > | Role Bonuses | TQ | New | > | --- | --- | --- | > | Drone Ore Mining Yield | 100% | - | > | Drone Ice Harvesting Cycle Time | 25% | - | ---
**Author:** ![Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tsumi_tzestu/32/289769_2.png) [@Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tsumi_Tzestu)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/490 "2021-11-20T17:27:54Z")
except that the +10% bonus to drone hit points damage and ore mining yield have been modified it only give +10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage now. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=25)