# From Extraction To Production: Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [November 20, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887 "2021-11-20T00:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Kylanti\_Hendar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kylanti_hendar/32/385538_2.png) [@Kylanti\_Hendar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kylanti_Hendar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/755 "2021-11-21T10:08:07Z")
Yes you need to invest either time or money in order to get the account to 5.5 Mill. After that point it is free. Skill extraction pretty much covers the cost of maintaining the account as omega, anything else you do is profit. So once you have a few accounts at that point you can easily add more with the profits of the first ones. ---
**Author:** ![Cara\_Lube](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cara_lube/32/297237_2.png) [@Cara\_Lube](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cara_Lube)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/756 "2021-11-21T10:10:38Z")
> [@Andrei\_Rianovski](#): > > I have TWO questions > > #1 : As far as I can see, C-type mining crystals are just anti-productive, wasteful, and also unreliable, offering no actual benefits at all … so why would anybody ever use them? What is their purpose? The only thing I can imagine is to destroy ore for other miners, with -75% yield it looks to me like they’d even be bad at that, so why? Just as a wild guess, it seems they are not able in finding a solution to make roid belt respawn random during the day and not condensed on downtime. thus it seems they are aiming towards mining anomalies where it might be handy to “kill” roids fast containing unwanted ores/gas/ice to shut down that anomaly in an attempt to make it respawn. This on the other hand would enable them to populate them not only with either ore, gas or ice but with a mixture of all wich would make the addition of triple-holds slightly more understandable. ---
**Author:** ![Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tsumi_tzestu/32/289769_2.png) [@Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tsumi_Tzestu)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/757 "2021-11-21T10:11:40Z")
> [@Kylanti\_Hendar](#): > > Yes you need to invest either time or money in order to get the account to 5.5 Mill. After that point it is free. Skill extraction pretty much covers the cost of maintaining the account as omega, anything else you do is profit IDK about that one chief. PLEX (500) is 1.5bil + the skill extractor 340mil (1.8bil) and the large skill injector (x1) sells for 680mil. I’m not very good at math but that seems like it won’t cut it. Unless he does a rotation of Spod Brainlet001-050 accumulate the monthly 150k sp for 3-6 months buys the skill extractors x25 (8.5bil) sells the 25x large skill injectors (17bil) plex his 25 accounts (37.5bil) ah no see we still won’t cut it. and the hassle of doing that. Geez Louise. ---
**Author:** ![DragoFire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragofire/32/257926_2.png) [@DragoFire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DragoFire)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/758 "2021-11-21T10:13:18Z")
> [@Eagleklaw](#): > > A better change in my opinion would be keep the t1 miners at 50% waste with skill in mining reduce waste by 5% per level down to 25%, and have t2 miners start with 25% waste, with the skill of reprocessing the groups of ores reducing the waste say another 2.5% per level, down to a waste of 12.5%. Better would be 100% chance of equal yield destruction of bonus resources for T1 _(same as it was before current complete removal)_ 67% for T2, but that reduced be 10% with T1 crystal and 15% with t2 crystal. ORE stays as is with no waste. And for each level of mining and specialization decreases resource destruction by 1.5%. This will help maintain investment into T2 while giving newbies a reason to skill up. ---
**Author:** ![DragoFire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragofire/32/257926_2.png) [@DragoFire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DragoFire)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/759 "2021-11-21T10:18:58Z")
It’s been that way since announcement, with only the **type c** crystals being different with reduced yield and waste equal to base yield plus all bonus modified by crystal to x18 of that being destroyed. So currently; T1 & ORE zero destruction. T2 1 in 3 chance of resource destruction plus any crystal modification ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/760 "2021-11-21T10:19:51Z")
Who in the world would waste time to clear a roid anom for someone else? Right now if you are forced to mine Dark Ochre you at least get minerals to crash the market prices, but with the C-Type, you get almost nothing for wasting your time. ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/6/5/46546bd503d48e965b38598d40d9a3df4c837f5a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/761 "2021-11-21T10:20:03Z")
You _can_ do that to 30 rorquals. How many rorquals where on grid there? Noone has 30 Retrievers and no command ship, plus one of the gankers was in a pod, which means he lost his ship to _something_ , which is not on the battlereport. How many others where there that aren’t on the report (because they’re not registered to zkill)? 30 Rorquals aren’t a nightmare for panfam, who ganked those goons. It’s their wet dream. Finally something they can form a supercap fleet on, and people will join. Not just some boring structure bash that is not attended by anyone who can think out an excuse ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/762 "2021-11-21T10:21:12Z")
How do you want to destroy 30 rorquals with 5 bombers? ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/6/5/46546bd503d48e965b38598d40d9a3df4c837f5a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/763 "2021-11-21T10:21:39Z")
covops cyno ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/764 "2021-11-21T10:22:20Z")
That’s not 5 bombers. How do you want to destroy 30 rorquals with 5 bombers. ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/6/5/46546bd503d48e965b38598d40d9a3df4c837f5a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Andre\_Matar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andre_matar/32/296078_2.png) [@Andre\_Matar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andre_Matar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/765 "2021-11-21T10:25:12Z")
> Alright then, Remove all combat capabilities from command battlecruisers, Command destroyers, Carriers. These are command ships? That should be there only role… Right? More likely, and a better idea would be to increase the combat capabilities of the rorqual and the orca, while decreasing their solo mining capabilities. ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/766 "2021-11-21T10:29:38Z")
why limit it to 5? there was more on grid then there’s on the report. obvious by one of the panfam capsuleers being a pod ---
**Author:** ![Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tsumi_tzestu/32/289769_2.png) [@Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tsumi_Tzestu)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/767 "2021-11-21T10:30:12Z")
> [@Andre\_Matar](#): > > More likely, and a better idea would be to increase the combat capabilities of the rorqual and the orca, while decreasing their solo mining capabilities. and give them 5 turrets hardpoint so they can fit strip miners and self boost themselves ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/768 "2021-11-21T10:32:26Z")
they can’t sustain the capacitor pressure caused by strip miners, unless you considerably buff the capacitor / regeneration rate of an orca / rorqual. But if you do that, it can just fit multiple shield boosters instead, which it isn’t supposed to. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/769 "2021-11-21T10:34:17Z")
A useless super was on grid: [Manticore | somnolence | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/73449732/) - So, how do you want to destroy 30 Rorquals with those 5 bombers under useless protection? It is limited to 5 because that battle report was created with only 5 bombers attacking the swarm of ships. Just answer the question and stop shifting goalposts. ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/6/5/46546bd503d48e965b38598d40d9a3df4c837f5a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/770 "2021-11-21T10:35:41Z")
> [@Ashterothi](#): > > Well I just want it to be known. You don’t get to use Compact, that word’s taken 😉 This! ‘Compact’ in EVE suggests it’s a meta module with lower fitting requirements. The compact industrial core is definitely not a meta version of the industrial core. ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/771 "2021-11-21T10:40:00Z")
Drop bombs, launch torpedoes? Passive Rorqual Regeneration of crabs is neglectible, unless the player returns from afk within a few minutes, not much of the first rorq will be left. And after some more minutes, the second rorq, and so on. And if he had not been afk, the bombers had not been able to clap his retrievers, either. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/772 "2021-11-21T10:40:38Z")
> [@Tsumi\_Tzestu](#): > > doubt he would pay omega for his 250 alpha accounts for that lol Seriously, you under estimate Eve players. I know a couple of people with 100+ accounts ALL Omega, Skill Extractors createda whole new meta and there’s lots of players out there profiting from it. Done right you can plex the SP making account and still make a nice profit. ---
**Author:** ![Zuccini\_Vaselini](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Zuccini\_Vaselini](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zuccini_Vaselini)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/773 "2021-11-21T10:41:07Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I don’t know how hard it is, but obviously it’s hard enough that they can’t get it done in this quadrant. wait, are they going to keep the right klick system now or are the Devs still trying to figure out how to bastardise the ammo system to make compressing ore into an “interesting” task? I don’t know their code but it doesn’t sound like something that should be complicated to add new resource types to and a condition to only work when a certain module is fittet. You want people to use that and move their ore and trade it - you better scrap compression waste and time sink. The mere fact of 20 different modules to compress different materials is already stretching into tedious territory. The current system allows Barge miners to compress their stuff themselves and take it back right away without getting things mixed up. If CCP change that the Rorq pilot would have to: - move every little pile around manually, - compress it manually, - hand it back to the correct pilot manually - while keeping track of 15 other friends ores? - while spending fuel and boost charges and all that while making the barest amount of money for themselves? I’ve spent maybe 10 hours mining in the 5 years i’ve played EVE but even i can figure out that compression almost **cannot** be changed at all if CCP really wants to promote mining communitys over solo mining. Guess CCP should hire me? A Hulk doesn’t cost anything to run so it will be more profitable then the Rorqual AND waste less rock. It’s also two orders of magnitude cheaper then the Rorqual. Can CCPLEASE get it into their heads that people WANT to have a reason to fly these ships and that people WANT to have big boats to shoot at? If just this final Rorqual yield reduction didn’t happen it would be 25% stronger then the Hulk but still more wasteful - “opressing” Barges is a strawman argument at this point. Sounds more like a reasonable reward for reaching a “long term goal” and “end game content”. CCP how do you even manage to pee off a PVP guy like me with MINING CHANGES? This is ridiculous tbf. ---
**Author:** ![Mynutor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mynutor/32/350312_2.png) [@Mynutor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mynutor)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/774 "2021-11-21T10:42:39Z")
What is the reasoning/lore behind the fact that compressed ores take up less space than the minerals? I mean shouldn’t it be the other way around? You take the raw ores which have a huge % of waste materials, that are not needed for production. Then you reprocess them and get the raw minerals which should take up a much smaller space. **AND THEN** you can compress the minerals. Wouldn’t it be cool, if the Orca and the Rorqual could reprocess and compress in space? (But you had to turn bastion mode on or something) and if you reprocess and compress in station you obviously have to transport the ores to the station and you have some sort of waste? It is like a fishing boat which catches, guts, cleans, cuts and freezes the fish on the boat itself. Compared to a fishing boat which catches the fish and transports it back to the shore for processing. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=37) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=39)