# From Extraction To Production: Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [November 20, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887 "2021-11-20T00:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Cernac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cernac/32/250513_2.png) [@Cernac](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cernac)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/815 "2021-11-21T15:39:14Z")
Whats the use of a Rorqual Jump Generator, for the most part now Null sec is rental, you stay in your own system, or systems. you have no need to jump 5-10 sectors away to mine. Sounds like most dont know what or how null sec mining works anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Cara\_Lube](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cara_lube/32/297237_2.png) [@Cara\_Lube](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cara_Lube)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/816 "2021-11-21T15:40:24Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I still don’t understand. Why would the EHP amount matter _before_ you’re getting shot? Your EHP amount has no effect on how much time you have to react to a potential threat. > > Are you perhaps confusing EHP with ship agility/align time? Lets take highsec EHP defines how many ships are required to gank you before concord interferes and and the you might survive. same for 0/low/WH where the question turns into how long will it take you to field a stronger force to beat them off. as you said no amount of EHP will make you survive a gank as they will field as many acc´s as required to gank you. So it comes down to gank identification by numbers before the actual gank happens. now a question to you in what situation would you field your nice blingbling? when you have 1 sus or 60suspcious players in your system? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/817 "2021-11-21T15:47:40Z")
I think I get it now. You’re saying that because more gankers would be required, the bigger spike will have the potential to tip you off faster. While this works in theory, I doubt it would affect in practice even just 1 out of every 100 miners out there. Essentially we’d be overbalancing the ships for edge case scenarios, and that’s just not a very good design methodology. It would make the ships too strong in normal use cases, wherein the they will die regardless, but the cost of the gank becomes much higher (AKA “ISK-tanking” the ships). ---
**Author:** ![Ulitharid\_Alhoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulitharid_alhoon/32/387855_2.png) [@Ulitharid\_Alhoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulitharid_Alhoon)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/818 "2021-11-21T15:48:54Z")
here how to kill that market 1)alpha acoount placed in Jita 2)send alpha account isk to purchase injectors 3)contract injectors back 4)accept contract, undock then dock, search for injectors and activate remotely ---
**Author:** ![Dudumarus\_DTTUH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dudumarus_dttuh/32/498894_2.png) [@Dudumarus\_DTTUH](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dudumarus_DTTUH)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/819 "2021-11-21T16:00:27Z")
Hello, On test server Compact Mobile Asteroid Ore Compression Unite A II on Orca makes from 40610 Concentrated Veldspar → 40000 Compressed Concentrated Veldspar.( yah 1:1 free ores after compresion) Numbers are off please duble check them in this configuration. Best! ---
**Author:** ![Cara\_Lube](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cara_lube/32/297237_2.png) [@Cara\_Lube](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cara_Lube)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/820 "2021-11-21T16:16:21Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I think I get it now. You’re saying that because more gankers would be required, the bigger spike will have the potential to tip you off faster. > > While this works in theory, I doubt it would affect in practice even just 1 out of every 100 miners out there. Essentially we’d be overbalancing the ships for edge case scenarios, and that’s just not a very good design methodology. It would make the ships too strong in normal use cases, wherein the they will die regardless, but the cost of the gank becomes much higher (AKA “ISK-tanking” the ships). it does not only work in theory - as the nearly exclusive usage of procs and skiffs indicate. but i do agree with you my preferred screw to be adjusted would be their prices. as they are by far to expensive for what they generate and survive. but the ISK-Tanking is an issue, just imagine the upror if any Titan could be killed by a singel ship within 20sec worth not even 1/50th of the titan… ---
**Author:** ![Cara\_Lube](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cara_lube/32/297237_2.png) [@Cara\_Lube](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cara_Lube)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/821 "2021-11-21T16:23:32Z")
> [@Dudumarus\_DTTUH](#): > > Hello, > > On test server Compact Mobile Asteroid Ore Compression Unite A II on Orca makes from 40610 Concentrated Veldspar → 40000 Compressed Concentrated Veldspar.( yah 1:1 free ores after compresion) > > Numbers are off please duble check them in this configuration. > > Best! compressing has been changed from a variable amount of ores to a fixed amount of m³, to a fixed amount of ores compressed to a variable amount of m³ ---
**Author:** ![Lodemai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lodemai/32/374211_2.png) [@Lodemai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lodemai)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/822 "2021-11-21T16:30:11Z")
Nope, they are fine as they are. Yield increases with tech level, but also the waste probability, they explained why and it makes sense ---
**Author:** ![Miner-Inconvenience](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miner-inconvenience/32/297647_2.png) [@Miner-Inconvenience](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miner-Inconvenience)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/823 "2021-11-21T16:43:29Z")
screw the gankers. They’re mostly ganking because their main gameplay got boring. Fix that and they’ll be too immersed in good fights to have time for ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/824 "2021-11-21T17:01:57Z")
> [@May\_Q\_Cry](#): > > But I was told by all the forum trolls the biggest issue was “afk Orcas” so shouldn’t nerfing the Orca make all “afk mining” stop? 😆 😆 😆 What I enjoy is all of the complaints about the “AFK” Orca being a problem with its unboosted barge yield, but everyone is fine with people mentioning the AFK Rorqual mining at 2x Hulk yield. ---
**Author:** ![Cernac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cernac/32/250513_2.png) [@Cernac](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cernac)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/825 "2021-11-21T17:14:38Z")
> [@Ulitharid\_Alhoon](#): > > I agree that this is the right directions to nerf the AFK players. I’m trying to point out the Orca is nothing more than a loot piñata waiting to be found for EVERYONE else. Why not instead of killing the Orca or Rorqual because CCP allows people to run multiple accountants with a GAME KILLINGS NUMBER of the same ships, they limit that number. You can still have multiple accountants you just cant field multiple of the same ship, Per ISP/Computer. Its the people who are abusing this that are the issues and the fact that CCP allows it. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/826 "2021-11-21T17:16:48Z")
> [@Miner-Inconvenience](#): > > screw the gankers. They’re mostly ganking because their main gameplay got boring. Fix that and they’ll be too immersed in good fights to have time for ganking. You make a bold claim, Miner-Inconvenience. Ganking _is_ the main gameplay for my pals. Perhaps your claim would carry more weight if its author refrained from blindly dipping his hand into the trough of carebear-sanctioned myth and offering up whatever pungent morsel lay pinched between his thumb and forefinger. You do sound like someone who has a low opinion of gankers - and to that you are entitled, of course. Nevertheless, a little restraint goes quite far in making your contributions less…_dramatic_. GF! ---
**Author:** ![Harley-1998\_Davidson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harley-1998_davidson/32/390884_2.png) [@Harley-1998\_Davidson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harley-1998_Davidson)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/827 "2021-11-21T17:17:17Z")
I have 4 Omega accounts 1 Orca 3 skiffs mining ore belts, I hope people don’t think I am a bot. ---
**Author:** ![Harley-1998\_Davidson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harley-1998_davidson/32/390884_2.png) [@Harley-1998\_Davidson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harley-1998_Davidson)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/828 "2021-11-21T17:19:17Z")
those gankers wanna blow stuff up, so gankers why not go to LOW SEC systems and blow up stuff in those areas ??? ---
**Author:** ![Cernac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cernac/32/250513_2.png) [@Cernac](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cernac)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/829 "2021-11-21T17:21:13Z")
> [@Miner-Inconvenience](#): > > screw the gankers. They’re mostly ganking because their main gameplay got boring. Fix that and they’ll be too immersed in good fights to have time for ganking. These guys wont go back to true PVP, they are the games bullies. They get there rocks off hassling other lower players. Its what they do and will continue to do. ---
**Author:** ![Canbon\_Erquilenne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/canbon_erquilenne/32/296711_2.png) [@Canbon\_Erquilenne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Canbon_Erquilenne)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/830 "2021-11-21T17:21:52Z")
Newbro and budding Alpha mining Corp here. What am I missing if I seem to think that Type C crystals are just pure griefing? Why would anyone choose Type C over Type B, except to be a total tool to other miners? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/831 "2021-11-21T17:21:56Z")
> [@Harley-1998\_Davidson](#): > > so gankers why not go to LOW SEC systems and blow up stuff in those areas ??? You’d have to ask my chums in SAFETY. that, Harley. For myself, I live in Highsec, where the _real_ action is! ---
**Author:** ![Adriana\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adriana_shi/32/290979_2.png) [@Adriana\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adriana_Shi)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/832 "2021-11-21T17:22:58Z")
Yea i get that but CCP’s adamant were getting waste… May as well make it make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Adriana\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adriana_shi/32/290979_2.png) [@Adriana\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adriana_Shi)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/833 "2021-11-21T17:24:31Z")
That is exactly why. They already said its getting a (PVP) _i assume_ suspect timer in Highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Cernac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cernac/32/250513_2.png) [@Cernac](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cernac)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/834 "2021-11-21T17:31:22Z")
expand your horizon, this game has more areas then just Highsec. Ore anomalies spawn and respawn, you take all expensive ore out, how do you get it to spawn quicker? Oh ya an FYI nullsec no longer has ore belts only anomalies. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=40) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=42)