# From Extraction To Production: Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [November 20, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887 "2021-11-20T00:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/124 "2021-11-20T01:49:26Z")
> [@CCP\_Psych](#): > > but our end goal is to **significantly increase the EHP of all barges and all exhumers as well as their mining yield**. Boo! 5 characters. ---
**Author:** ![KnightGuard\_Fury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knightguard_fury/32/384023_2.png) [@KnightGuard\_Fury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/KnightGuard_Fury)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/125 "2021-11-20T01:50:09Z")
i personally didnt mind the changes. what i didnt like were poeples knee jerk reactions to the new changes and the following complaints. (except the mining frig complaints as those were mostly valid IMO) T1 strips mined the amount T2 cystals currently do and T2 mined more than that, like how is that a loss? the compression modules did need work, but something as simple as consolidating them to high/low/null/abyssal/ and gas/Ice wouldve been just fines so it wouldve been 6 compression arrays instead of like the what? 12-16 they brought in, like yeah thats a bit much ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/126 "2021-11-20T01:55:44Z")
lol It’s so obvious that CCP doesn’t want the Orca to be the best non-capital mining ship in the game, but that’s exactly what the legions of bot-aspirant AFK miners are clamoring for. I wonder why? ---
**Author:** ![Fyrrenn\_Groning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fyrrenn_groning/32/502442_2.png) [@Fyrrenn\_Groning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fyrrenn_Groning)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/127 "2021-11-20T01:55:51Z")
Glad to see there’s some adjustments (particularly the T1 modules producing no waste for newbros) and being open to feedback. IMO, lets roll out the update and see how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Caliphate\_Mia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caliphate_mia/32/245668_2.png) [@Caliphate\_Mia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caliphate_Mia)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/128 "2021-11-20T01:57:42Z")
They are keeping the bonuses to gas harvesting in the venture and prospect, also ice bonuses to endurance ---
**Author:** ![KnightGuard\_Fury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knightguard_fury/32/384023_2.png) [@KnightGuard\_Fury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/KnightGuard_Fury)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/129 "2021-11-20T01:59:45Z")
there literally not changning anything other than there being no waste for T1 low yield lasers. the menial amount of waste their was before isnt going to do much. the problem i had with T2 lasers was that they nerfed the yield amount copared to current TQ ---
**Author:** ![Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fartsniffer_munba/32/248389_2.png) [@Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fartsniffer_Munba)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/130 "2021-11-20T02:00:10Z")
Except of course Orca wasn’t the best, but was barely worth being fielded over another exhumer. Aaaaaaaand now it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![KnightGuard\_Fury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knightguard_fury/32/384023_2.png) [@KnightGuard\_Fury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/KnightGuard_Fury)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/131 "2021-11-20T02:00:52Z")
its def. worth boosting others though. as someone who likes boosting my alts and other people, its an even better booster now ---
**Author:** ![Danuvia\_Za](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/danuvia_za/32/459101_2.png) [@Danuvia\_Za](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Danuvia_Za)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/132 "2021-11-20T02:01:00Z")
Doubling highend R64 R32 moon goo input into the game (since everyone will be using T1 strips) and at the same time 150% increasing other types of ore/gas input (since everyone will be using new faster barges with tech 2 type B crystals) will be… interesting to say the least. Sort of a backdoor method to devalue the 1%'s resource stockpiles, I suppose. The relative value of ISK : resources will shift in ISK’s favor, a buff to mission runners, incursions, ratters etc. Now you just need to devalue P.I. and maybe we can finally start making capitals again. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/133 "2021-11-20T02:01:12Z")
> [@Fartsniffer\_Munba](#): > > Except of course Orca wasn’t the best, but was barely worth being fielded over another exhumer. Apparently miners don’t know what an “oxymoron” is. ---
**Author:** ![Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fartsniffer_munba/32/248389_2.png) [@Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fartsniffer_Munba)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/134 "2021-11-20T02:06:08Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Apparently miners don’t know what an “oxymoron” is. Ok, let’s put it in a more understandable way. It was worth replacing ONE, and only ONE exhumer in a fleet with Orca. And now it isn’t. There were 2 ships worth fielding. Now it’s 1. ---
**Author:** ![Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tsumi_tzestu/32/289769_2.png) [@Tsumi\_Tzestu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tsumi_Tzestu)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/135 "2021-11-20T02:07:45Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > lol > > It’s so obvious that CCP doesn’t want the Orca to be the best non-capital mining ship in the game, but that’s exactly what the legions of bot-aspirant AFK miners are clamoring for. I wonder why? so … let me get this straight… CCP instead of dealing with the bots problem , they decided to nerf the Orca so bad that regular player won’t see an incensive to pilot an Orca anymore ? Wow that is so great. It won’t stop bot either they will just move to the next best thing , Skiff . will they then Nerf the Skiff cause it’s too used by Bots then ? That change to the Orca is way too severe and uncalled for , the Orca is NOT A POWER HOUSE OF MINING , it’s under an UNboosted skiff level of mining , which is perfectly fine as it was. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/136 "2021-11-20T02:08:06Z")
So what you’re saying is that I am right about the Orca currently being the best sub-capital mining vessel in the game? Got it. Thanks for your clarification and agreement with me. ---
**Author:** ![Fjord\_O\_Neal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fjord_o_neal/32/454775_2.png) [@Fjord\_O\_Neal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fjord_O_Neal)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/137 "2021-11-20T02:08:44Z")
I’m still going through the changes and I look forward to testing them on the test server, but thank you for listening to the community. I’m not going to be upset it took a week of rage, I’m just going to say thank you for listening. ---
**Author:** ![Malcolm\_Lionel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcolm_lionel/32/496907_2.png) [@Malcolm\_Lionel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcolm_Lionel)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/138 "2021-11-20T02:09:15Z")
I agree one bay to hold ice ore and gas would be awesome. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![KnightGuard\_Fury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knightguard_fury/32/384023_2.png) [@KnightGuard\_Fury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/KnightGuard_Fury)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/139 "2021-11-20T02:13:00Z")
personally for me, the additional ore holds is a win because not only can i support more than one mining operation but this also allows me to stay in space longer than usual because of the separate holds. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/140 "2021-11-20T02:14:23Z")
> [@CCP\_Psych](#): > > our end goal is to **significantly increase the EHP of all barges and all exhumers** By the way, this change isn’t going to have the effects that people might expect it to have, so anyone getting excited over this might want to pucker their sphincter. Gankers aren’t just going to go “oh, dang, guess it’s time to stop ganking!” They’ll roll another set of accounts to be able to deal with the additional EHP, and gank even _more_ just to make up the deficit in cost (if any) after adjusting for the SP farming recoupment. Yet again, this is just another ploy by CCP to get players to make more alt accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Kamiseer\_Irin\_Sharisa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kamiseer_irin_sharisa/32/297461_2.png) [@Kamiseer\_Irin\_Sharisa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kamiseer_Irin_Sharisa)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/141 "2021-11-20T02:16:17Z")
People use cause they can’t de asked to deal with suicide ganking. If there was no suicide ganking there would probably be loads less orca’s. Cause making more money is usually preferred. But having to deal with announce or not dealing with it is a huge deal. ---
**Author:** ![Tareil\_Starweaver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tareil_starweaver/32/297472_2.png) [@Tareil\_Starweaver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tareil_Starweaver)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/142 "2021-11-20T02:17:52Z")
Eh, the compression times kinda made sense. They were definitely overly long, but the concept isn’t completely out of line. ---
**Author:** ![Arcam-Storm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcam-storm/32/287593_2.png) [@Arcam-Storm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcam-Storm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/143 "2021-11-20T02:18:20Z")
May I ask whether the new ice and gas holds on the Orca will get the same hull bonus size increase that the ore hold enjoys? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=8)