# From Extraction To Production: Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [November 20, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887 "2021-11-20T00:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![Jahonna\_Moondust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jahonna_moondust/32/303943_2.png) [@Jahonna\_Moondust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jahonna_Moondust)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1445 "2021-11-25T18:28:49Z")
So, this needs an old fashioned response [Signed](http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/signed.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1446 "2021-11-25T18:29:00Z")
> [@Omah\_Name](#): > > In that sense, “more efficient” could only mean time efficiency. Thus, A crystals reduce cycle duration (much like some scripts reduce cycle duration between 2 shots, thus increasing overall damage in a given amount of time). B crystals would increase yield, but maybe with a penalty to cycle duration - better damage per shot, but at the cost of longer times between shots. Think of artillery (B crystals) with better alpha over hybrid maybe (A crystals). Then you’re not getting my point, nor the point of the waste mechanic. Efficiency is not time efficiency. Yield is time efficiency. Efficiency is decoupled from yield in the waste mechanic, but is the same thing as yield in your suggestion. Waste allows players to choose between efficiency and yield. Your suggestion doesn’t do that. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1447 "2021-11-25T18:29:19Z")
Why would you add PLANETARY Interaction materials to a MOON CHUNK that sat in space for weeks and was sterilized by not only the stellar radiation but also the gun fire blasting the chunk out of the moon and to bits? Would you please stop throwing around these hilarious ideas and explain the reasoning? ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/6/5/96524d53cb22e8d34dff925203908c55729b363e.png) ---
**Author:** ![Nyrak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyrak/32/296189_2.png) [@Nyrak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyrak)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1448 "2021-11-25T18:30:20Z")
Unfortunately, the days when CCP added tools to the game instead of directly changing play styles are dead. ---
**Author:** ![AmazingJay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amazingjay/32/298252_2.png) [@AmazingJay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AmazingJay)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1449 "2021-11-25T18:31:40Z")
This seems about as well thought through as the other changes so at least the stupidity is consistent. ---
**Author:** ![Isuvia\_Triglav](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isuvia_triglav/32/386345_2.png) [@Isuvia\_Triglav](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isuvia_Triglav)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1450 "2021-11-25T18:32:25Z")
This is just pure idiocy. The issue with PI materials is not one of a lack of supply sources, but instead one of the ability to move it around to produce, when it takes a full freighter or more to move the amount of water needed for single dreads and carriers to be built, you have a problem. Adding this into moon ores will not help alleviate that problem as it will just end up as more trash sitting in random hangers, instead maybe consider lowering the volume of PI materials or giving us ships that can move even larger amounts of PI than we can now. Then to top it off maybe make the PI setup and interactions less mind numbingly boring. Yours Truly, someone who runs a PI farm with 75+ Characters ---
**Author:** ![Amak\_Boma](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amak_boma/32/274822_2.png) [@Amak\_Boma](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amak_Boma)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1451 "2021-11-25T18:33:23Z")
another reason why not anchor athanor in highsec… athanor prices will go down even more and what worse,there will be mass unanchoring/abandonment i cant belive that ccp decided to kill another gameplay style and has eoungh courage to remove moon basic minerals. this change is as bad as removal of 2 mid slots from procurer ---
**Author:** ![Plaid\_Rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plaid_rabbit/32/296482_2.png) [@Plaid\_Rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Plaid_Rabbit)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1452 "2021-11-25T18:41:22Z")
@CCP_Psych I’d strongly suggest taking a step back and looking at the higher-level problem. It’s not that we need more PI… I don’t think CCP has been using the levers it has correctly to adjust things… and this is making the problem worse. You want to be able to control the cost of things so we don’t end up with super-cheap titans again. Great goal. But the lever in place for that is capital component costs. Don’t mix PI into this mess, it’ll throw other things out of balance. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Inaria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_inaria/32/272311_2.png) [@Lady\_Inaria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Inaria)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1453 "2021-11-25T18:43:22Z")
What even is the point of this change? So CCP recognises that needing P1 for ship production is currently a massive issue but instead of actually looking at what the issue is they throw more P1 out in the world? There is not a P1 shortage, prices are stable or actually dropping. Having it spit out of moon chunks doesn’t do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1454 "2021-11-25T18:44:16Z")
Fakre good idea. Yes you’re system require a lot of PI. Maybe the issue is not the actual PI workflow , but all change done to industry. Ok side effect you haven’t see of you’re change : - Nerf people who finance theymself by doing pi for little casual roamming (they will enter in concurence with miner). - Decrease price of all citadel (more citadel spam). - Do not end the scarity, you just try to make thing more complicated for nothing. Just revert previous industry change. ---
**Author:** ![Decimus\_King](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/decimus_king/32/481632_2.png) [@Decimus\_King](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Decimus_King)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1455 "2021-11-25T18:47:43Z")
If you expect a positive response to this, please start selling what you are smoking. There is a good market for that. ---
**Author:** ![Ploing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ploing/32/466885_2.png) [@Ploing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ploing)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1456 "2021-11-25T18:48:42Z")
this is just comedy. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Baird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesley_baird/32/455827_2.png) [@Wesley\_Baird](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesley_Baird)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1457 "2021-11-25T18:51:27Z")
Terrible change, I can see moon mining in high-sec all but disappear. ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1458 "2021-11-25T18:52:05Z")
PI really? does that mean we now get an extra ore hangar for PI products in our covetor? this is so o obviously stupid, how do you guys come up with this stuff?o oops my bad, the pi comes after processing, so the extra hangar would need to be on the haulers ---
**Author:** ![Death\_Killer21](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/death_killer21/32/484373_2.png) [@Death\_Killer21](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Death_Killer21)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1459 "2021-11-25T18:52:38Z")
Live scenes from CCP’s Development team Right now! ![bobsburgers-fox](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/8/c/f8c2450256e4f4bbeeefc7251ad4943e8e8d8d1d.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Death\_Killer21](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/death_killer21/32/484373_2.png) [@Death\_Killer21](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Death_Killer21)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1460 "2021-11-25T18:55:01Z")
Yeah, Now weve got 300b for a bridge :’) ---
**Author:** ![xHxHxAOD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xhxhxaod/32/396571_2.png) [@xHxHxAOD](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xHxHxAOD)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1461 "2021-11-25T19:02:31Z")
so testing the new changes on the test server with anything but T1 strips a hulk can not fit 2 full cycles in its ore hold. For t2 with crystals you are looking at over 5km3 for both strips per cycle. Make the hold say something like 12k m3. With a max yield, max boost/ mindlink Rorq and 5% implant a hulk is putting out about 366k m3 per hour with ore strips. With T1 strips its 275k. With t2 A Type crystals its 395k. With T2 type B crystals its 487k if my math is right on that one. Also the shield stats for the hulk are borked as they dont have the right resists. ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1462 "2021-11-25T19:04:08Z")
i figured it out. its so alphas can get PI materials since they cant do PI. too bad they cant mine basic ore in HS to even build a frigate, selling the PI and paying sales tax to buy minerals that were sold paying sales tax so they can finally build a kestral. i got it. YAY ---
**Author:** ![Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lauralite_anne_brezia/32/380065_2.png) [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lauralite_Anne_Brezia)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1463 "2021-11-25T19:10:03Z")
You mean, like an Epithal, perhaps? > [@leavwiz](#): > > so the extra hangar would need to be on the haulers ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1464 "2021-11-25T19:13:26Z")
you mean over double what it was a year ago with significant reductions in ME requirements for several of the minerals [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=71) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=73)