# From Extraction To Production: Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [November 20, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887 "2021-11-20T00:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 87
**Author:** ![Cara\_Lube](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cara_lube/32/297237_2.png) [@Cara\_Lube](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cara_Lube)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1751 "2021-11-27T15:39:29Z")
> [@makrish1](#): > > > [@aldarrin](#): > > > > If you haven’t killed your target before an ORCA can lock it and rep it you’re bad at ganking. > > If you don’t have your miners locked up before gankers get to you, you’re bad at multiboxing miners (or you have too many miners). the problem aint having your members pre locked but having 3 RR equiped with 5-6 mandatory highslots not beeing RR´s while having a total of 6 highs. not to mention the lack of fitting room. ---
**Author:** ![Jumpdrive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jumpdrive/32/285032_2.png) [@Jumpdrive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jumpdrive)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1752 "2021-11-27T15:44:15Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > I help a lot of newbies, mostly via Rookie channel but also others who I meet elsewhere and I introduce them to EVE. I never discourage them to do _anything_ other than doing things they don’t enjoy. > > If they truly enjoy the concept of gathering their own materials to then build ships and sell them to other players who then fly around the universe with it, then who am I to discourage them from it going “yeah but it doesn’t pay great”. Diabolical!! I admit, I didn’t see that one coming. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1753 "2021-11-27T15:45:32Z")
> [@aldarrin](#): > > In 15 years I went on three combat deployments, beat cancer, and retrained myself for a post combat life. How have you been? O dear. Mining is relatively safe, aldarrin. I’ve never claimed it was more than that. You don’t know anything about my broader EVE experience, so you are not qualified to speculate. Your courage, good fortune, and determination are of course not in question here; though I do wonder why you found it necessary to share these not entirely uncommon experiences. > [@aldarrin](#): > > How have you been? Ah, there’s the attempted guilt-shaming! Whatever I have done or suffered, it remains with me. My arguments can be freely challenged, for I make them public here without adopting a position designed to demean, or to discourage dissent by trumpeting my own worthiness. Here’s to the next fifteen! ---
**Author:** ![aldarrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldarrin/32/279769_2.png) [@aldarrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aldarrin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1754 "2021-11-27T15:46:59Z")
Have you ever thought, maybe mining is low effort because it’s bad isk/hr? At the beginning of my Eve Career it wasn’t profitable without 10 accounts. After this patch it will be again. ---
**Author:** ![aldarrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldarrin/32/279769_2.png) [@aldarrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aldarrin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1755 "2021-11-27T15:51:13Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > You don’t know anything about my broader EVE experience, so you are not qualified to speculate. Well, this unfounded. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Here’s to the next fifteen! Willful ignorance of how production and markets work will definitely work out over time. I can’t wait to argue with you in the forums of another failing game. Also, that I’ve been through some ■■■■ and done terrible ■■■■ IRL isn’t guilt shaming. It’s life and what I did over the last 15 years. If you did less good for you. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1756 "2021-11-27T15:53:15Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > If you let your expectations over rule past experience with CCP releases, you’re already not going to be happy Ock, think of who you’re talking to. No matter what, he’s not going to be happy. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1757 "2021-11-27T15:53:25Z")
If more miners would stop mining “because it’s not profitable” then the ones who keep mining because WANT to as they ENJOY it, will have profitable mining. The reason it doesn’t pay well is BECAUSE of the zero effort alt miners with a bunch of accounts, don’t try to turn things around. That’s what Scarcity has always been about: take power away from the afk grind alt army bots so that the economy can normalise so things become worthwhile again for normal players. Also: > [@aldarrin](#): > > without 10 accounts. As said, there’s a REASON you’re in Frat. ---
**Author:** ![Cara\_Lube](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cara_lube/32/297237_2.png) [@Cara\_Lube](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cara_Lube)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1758 "2021-11-27T15:54:18Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > > [@aldarrin](#): > > > > Currently, there’s no way to fit barges to mine efficiently and withstand a griefing attack. No one is asking for complete safety, just some safety. > > Set standing to the obvious groups, don’t be afk, run Dscan, don’t be afk, don’t mine in busy or obvious systems, don’t be afk, have local window detached so you can always see the obvious culprits, don’t be afk, make sure your overview isn’t a mess so you will see gankers warping in, don’t be afk, actually use 10 minutes to figure out how to actually fit/tank your ships, don’t be afk, **run shield links on the orca, don’t be afk, pretarget with your orca and be ready to run your remote shield reps, don’t be afk, perhaps** bring an alt or better yet a newbie and put them in a Griffin, running “patrol”, don’t be afk, mine in a dead end system and park a scout next door so you can see incoming gankers, don’t be afk, don’t be afk, don’t be afk. > > There’s your safety. > > Don’t be afk. would like to see a fit that fullfill your suggestions, 2-3 mining links(if they implement a waste reduction one), 2shield links, 2+ RR, CiC to make these RR worthwhile, a compressing unit, a tractor beam to be able to pick up your fleets hulk jetcans(because of their hold size). with 6 highslots. mixed in with some self defense while being restricted on top by cpu and powergrid. i would love to have my Orca fitted like you suggest but i doubt i´ll be able to… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1760 "2021-11-27T16:01:54Z")
> [@Cara\_Lube](#): > > would like to see a fit that fullfill your suggestions, 2-3 mining links You only need 1 mining link, the yield one. You don’t need the cap one and range is not needed if you’re not afk or alt/botting it. One shield link is enough, the shield extension one. That leaves 1 for a tractor and 3 for remote shield reps. Being able to rep 3 is more than enough to give gankers something extra to worry about in regards to their ability to kill the targets. One would assume the orca gets an extra high for the new module, if not then you will have to make choices, like so many other players in other ships for other uses. ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1761 "2021-11-27T16:02:08Z")
> [@Cara\_Lube](#): > > would like to see a fit that fullfill your suggestions, 2-3 mining links(if they implement a waste reduction one), 2shield links, 2+ RR, CiC to make these RR worthwhile, a compressing unit, a tractor beam to be able to pick up your fleets hulk jetcans(because of their hold size). with 6 highslots. mixed in with some self defense while being restricted on top by cpu and This is why CCP doing the standard ‘Oh, we’ll just have the Orca do it’ is furthering the bad game design that has plagued barges. Take the job off the Orca. Let the barges get bonused small RR so they can spider tank. Or let the Orca be like the nestor and have powerful, short range RR, but then the barges have long range, weaker RR. I don’t even like the ‘Oh just bring a scimi’ option because industrialists have zero other reasons to train into minmitar cruisers. CCP _can_ fix this… if they’d be willing to think outside the damn box for once and address the horrible design of industrial ships. You’re telling me ORE can’t possibly design a remote repair platform that isn’t already bogged down with 8 other jobs… ---
**Author:** ![aldarrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldarrin/32/279769_2.png) [@aldarrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aldarrin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1763 "2021-11-27T16:04:39Z")
You don’t know mining. You need yield AND range. @CPP, please ignore this ignorance / troll (not sure which). If you don’t know what you’re talking about (or worse do and ignore it) no one should value your input. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1764 "2021-11-27T16:06:10Z")
> [@aldarrin](#): > > You need yield Why? If you have active miners they can just move individually right? Oh you mean when they are alts and/or bots? Yeah well sucks2byou, no one cares. ---
**Author:** ![aldarrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldarrin/32/279769_2.png) [@aldarrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aldarrin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1765 "2021-11-27T16:08:24Z")
Go mining for a few weeks, then you’ll know. In the iterim stfu because you’re rambling about something you patently don’t understand. You sound like a Pyfa warrior. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1766 "2021-11-27T16:08:39Z")
> [@aldarrin](#): > > > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > > > You don’t know anything about my broader EVE experience, so you are not qualified to speculate. > > Well, this unfounded. I think you said or implied that I’d never been a miner. I can’t be bothered to check back - unless you disagree, of course… 🙂 > [@aldarrin](#): > > If you did less [than me - _SN_] good for you. And if I did more? You see how such references are irrelevant here, aldarrin. Forums can become a kind of battlefield. If you lose an argument, though, it is not the end of the world. Is it? ---
**Author:** ![Cara\_Lube](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cara_lube/32/297237_2.png) [@Cara\_Lube](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cara_Lube)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1767 "2021-11-27T16:08:56Z")
range is quite helpfull to stay away from the warp-in of the belt you are in, sth every active miner likes to have 😉 ---
**Author:** ![aldarrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldarrin/32/279769_2.png) [@aldarrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aldarrin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1768 "2021-11-27T16:12:20Z")
Kinda down with asshats and griefers. I’ll be back to talk to folks that understand the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1769 "2021-11-27T16:13:00Z")
> [@Cara\_Lube](#): > > range is quite helpfull to stay away from the warp-in of the belt you are in The warpin of a belt generally doesn’t have too much ore (if only because lazy miners mined that first) so that’s not a point nor an issue. Not being at the warpin is indeed a good idea but really only outside high sec where it’s generally roaming pvpers looking for targets. In high sec they will have scouts to facilitate the warpin. Sometimes that’s a cloaky but very often it’s some newbie, female, character in a Venture (with ship scanners and everything) who gets conveniently close to the targets or at the very least in line with the gate the gankers come from. ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1771 "2021-11-27T16:16:59Z")
an even better idea. ships die, they get pulled in by the moons gravitation. therefore… moon goo should contain metal scraps, salvage, ship modules. see, reasonable, unlike processed PI components. or as suggested earlier, bring back alloys either in the goo, or in the npcs. that way you dont even have to be a miner to get building materials. but seriously, back during redistribution you took rare and uncommon ores out of moons that had doubles. replaced them in theoretical value with ubiquitious ore virually doubling the m3 in a standard moon pull. if it wasnt for the mex and pyrite in that ore it simply would have rotted on the field since small groups couldnt mine all the addtional m3. it actually makes sense that moon goo would have other ores in it. so why the change? oh yeah, scarcity. apparently its still here ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1772 "2021-11-27T16:17:32Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > The warpin of a belt generally doesn’t have too much ore (if only because lazy miners mined that first) so that’s not a point nor an issue. Not being at the warpin is indeed a good idea but really only outside high sec where it’s generally roaming pvpers looking for targets. In high sec they will have scouts to facilitate the warpin. Sometimes that’s a cloaky but very often it’s some newbie, female, character in a Venture (with ship scanners and everything) who gets conveniently close to the targets or at the very least in line with the gate the gankers come from. @aldarrin I am posting with my main, and I agree with this message. Range can be helpful. It’s absolutely convenient. But if you could only pick 1, you’re gonna pick yield. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1773 "2021-11-27T16:17:35Z")
> [@aldarrin](#): > > Post on your main or GTFO. Says the Frat alt. Also I thought > [@aldarrin](#): > > Not interested in any of your thoughts. No? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=86) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887.md?page=88)