# From Extraction To Production: Update

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887>\
**Category:** Announcements\
**Created:** [November 20, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887 "2021-11-20T00:08:25Z")\
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**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/1785 "2021-11-27T16:55:07Z")

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> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#):
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> Ah so you’re avoiding to answer, ok.

Not at all. The issue of ‘why did they do it?’ is relevant to the question of ‘did this achieve their goal?’. It is _not_ relevant to the question of ‘what were the effects of this change?’

And, in fact, their _goal_, according to direct conversations w/Rattati, was _not_ aimed at supercapital proliferation. That genie is out of the bottle. You can’t just turn off the spigot and say ‘problem solved’, because it’s clearly not—in fact, it’s only exacerbated. Instead of ‘supercapitals now only exist in a reasonable number across New Eden, and stagnation is lessened’, you end up with ‘godawfully large fleets of supercapitals exist in the hands of people who already have massive amounts of income and power in nullsec. Newer groups attempting to gain a foothold in null cannot get their hands on the tools they need to secure that foothold, and so the existing power strata becomes even more hardened and calcified’.

Rather, their goal was to attempt to make other parts of industrial activity—such as PI—more profitable through increased demand. The capital/supercapital production part of that equation, by crashing demand, has _not_ achieved that goal.

That analysis, however, was not relevant to the point I was making, so I decided to avoid adding it in, electing rather to remain focused and succinct.

> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#):
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> No, what we have been talking about is mining safety in high sec

No, what I responded to was your claim that if mining isn’t profitable, supply will dry up and prices will rise until it is:

> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#):
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> If more miners would stop mining “because it’s not profitable” then the ones who keep mining because WANT to as they ENJOY it, will have profitable mining.

And this claim remains demonstrably… _questionable_, based on the results we’ve already seen.

> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#):
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> You mean after the war stopped so people/alts instantly got bored and stopped logging in, and people going back to work after having been inside due to covid?

It’s kinda funny how you think that _at all_ undermines my point. EVE needs to attract players, not drive them off so that we can achieve ‘If more miners would stop mining…’

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