# From Extraction to Production - will it make me return to Eve? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 12, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417 "2021-11-12T21:22:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/42 "2021-11-13T17:06:55Z")
Please don’t comment on my thread. You’re not welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/43 "2021-11-13T17:08:45Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > > > Why make a big deal of doubling resources, then in the same breath say you’re going to throw half those resources away as waste? (Except for T2 and faction modules). > > That footnote is pretty important. > > They are doubling the resources and they give us the tools to make use of those double resources. If people use lower effiency modules without mining crystals or choose to use high yield low efficiency crystals it’s up to them. > > The only thing I’m not really convinced is good about the waste system is how it may have a negative effect on newbies who want to mine the more valuable ores in a group, as people wouldn’t like it if half those ores go wasted due to lack of skills. I think all the changes add ‘content’, but if you take a step back and look at it, it turns out to be just content for content’s sake, which does nothing to improve the game, or add longevity for players who have spent years doing the same thing in the game and hoping for improvements. Perhaps new players will immerse themselves in all this. I definitely won’t be returning. ---
**Author:** ![Grimm\_Reborn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grimm_reborn/32/383573_2.png) [@Grimm\_Reborn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grimm_Reborn)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/44 "2021-11-13T17:30:33Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > players who have spent years doing the same thing in the game and hoping for improvements Based on the majority of the comments, thats not what players really want. They want to continue doing the same thing they have done for years without any changes. ---
**Author:** ![Feng\_Schui](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/feng_schui/32/290789_2.png) [@Feng\_Schui](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Feng_Schui)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/45 "2021-11-13T17:34:49Z")
1. They’re getting rid of all mining drone bonuses, thus making them useless in the fact that there will be no difference in drone mining yield if you fly any type of mining ship vs. any other ship. 2. Unless you are running 1 billion isk worth of faction mining lasers (as of today), you will experience between a 34% to a 50% drop in mining yield per cycle. Overall, this is a huge mining nerf which will cause prices to rise even higher. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/46 "2021-11-13T17:49:33Z")
> [@Grimm\_Reborn](#): > > Based on the majority of the comments, thats not what players really want. They want to continue doing the same thing they have done for years without any changes. Not true. Industrialists have longed for changes. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/47 "2021-11-13T17:51:15Z")
> [@Feng\_Schui](#): > > 1. They’re getting rid of all mining drone bonuses, thus making them useless in the fact that there will be no difference in drone mining yield if you fly any type of mining ship vs. any other ship. > 2. Unless you are running 1 billion isk worth of faction mining lasers (as of today), you will experience between a 34% to a 50% drop in mining yield per cycle. > > Overall, this is a huge mining nerf which will cause prices to rise even higher. And do you know how long it took me to get from level 4 - 5 mining drone skill? I read something about a return of skill points, does it include these? Or will it still take equally long to get the crappy mining drone bonus after the nerf? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/48 "2021-11-13T17:53:04Z")
> [@Feng\_Schui](#): > > Overall, this is a huge mining nerf which will cause prices to rise even higher. Higher prices means better pay per yield of the miners even though their yield is less. ---
**Author:** ![Grimm\_Reborn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grimm_reborn/32/383573_2.png) [@Grimm\_Reborn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grimm_Reborn)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/49 "2021-11-13T17:57:48Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > Not true. Industrialists have longed for changes. No where in your OP or follow up rants are industrialists mentioned… i just see complaints about the mining changes. Way to move the goal posts. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/50 "2021-11-13T18:42:29Z")
> [@Grimm\_Reborn](#): > > No where in your OP or follow up rants Dogs rant. I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/51 "2021-11-13T18:44:26Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > Please don’t comment on my thread. You’re not welcome. It’s a public thread. By starting a thread you invite discussion from any forum users. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/52 "2021-11-13T18:49:00Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > new mining ships for industrialists (how many new combat ships have been introduced in the last few years?) Like what? What niche is there to fill? > Dogs rant. Err… dogs PANT, not rant. –Curious Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/53 "2021-11-13T18:54:45Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > It’s a public thread. This isn’t a public thread. It’s invitation only. Bye. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/54 "2021-11-13T18:55:31Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > Like what? > > What niche is there to fill? You telling me you haven’t noticed any new combat ships in the past 3/4 years? Dude… ---
**Author:** ![Feng\_Schui](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/feng_schui/32/290789_2.png) [@Feng\_Schui](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Feng_Schui)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/55 "2021-11-13T18:58:24Z")
It actually won’t. If the price of a single unit is tritanium is 4.00 isk now, then after the change it will be 8 isk. This is so that the ISK/hour remains the same. ---
**Author:** ![Feng\_Schui](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/feng_schui/32/290789_2.png) [@Feng\_Schui](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Feng_Schui)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/56 "2021-11-13T19:11:19Z")
Yea, I hear you. I skilled up in a Porpoise precisely due to the size of the ore hold, tank, and mineable “area” since I use it to run level 4 mining missions. After this change, well, I’ll no longer run those missions and probably attempt to sell off the Porpoise and mining drones to recover my loss. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/57 "2021-11-13T20:01:57Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > This isn’t a public thread. It’s invitation only. Bye. Feel free to take it up with ISD. > [@Feng\_Schui](#): > > If the price of a single unit is tritanium is 4.00 isk now, then after the change it will be 8 isk. This is so that the ISK/hour remains the same. The value of a miners time will change very little, and the changes proposed don’t nerf mining yield but buff it via the new orca ind core. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/58 "2021-11-13T20:06:49Z")
Way to avoid the question. We’re talking about “new mining ships for industrialists”… If you’re being serious, then I’m listening. If your just trolling, then just say so. –Gadget awaits your response ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/59 "2021-11-13T20:12:36Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > ``` > ...will it make me return to Eve? > > ``` There are people who might say in your particular case “I hope not”. Looks like some cheap orcas are incoming. Good. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/60 "2021-11-13T20:15:31Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > The value of a miners time will change very little, and the changes proposed don’t nerf mining yield but buff it via the new orca ind core. Except most miners don’t fleet mine ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/61 "2021-11-13T20:17:16Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > The value of a miners time will change very little, and the changes proposed don’t nerf mining yield but buff it via the new orca ind core. If this is true, then I have a question: how much buff/improvement will the new industrial core provide to boosted barges? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417.md?page=4)