# From Extraction to Production - will it make me return to Eve? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 12, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417 "2021-11-12T21:22:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/103 "2021-11-14T11:18:28Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Mining is about min/max game play, minimum effort for maximum return. Why do you think Rorquals and Orcas were the goto mining setups? They weren’t the most efficent but they certainly lowered income vs effort level. And I’m glad the ‘lowest effort level’ got bumped up to barge effort levels as I and others have asked CCP for ages to do something about AFK miners. The newbie in a solo mining ship will finally get a better pay for mining now that they don’t have to compete with hordes of AFK Orcas anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/104 "2021-11-14T11:44:02Z")
Nope won’t be hordes of AFK Orcas they have to compete with. It will be all those multibox Orca pilots with 1 Orca boosting and hordes of cheap barges. No real change for solo newbs mining. Mining will for the most part has and always will be a min/max activity - It was prior to rorqual/orca buffs years ago, it stayed that way after the buffs and still will be after these changes. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/105 "2021-11-14T12:01:16Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Nope won’t be hordes of AFK Orcas they have to compete with. > It will be all those multibox Orca pilots with 1 Orca boosting and hordes of cheap barges. > No real change for solo newbs mining. But there will be fewer of those as it requires significantly more effort to multibox a compressing Orca with a bunch of barges than it took to multibox Orcas. So the competition from that is less than it was before. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/106 "2021-11-14T13:00:05Z")
Why are we talking about solo new players competeing with whalekrabs in the first place? This is highly irrelevent. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/107 "2021-11-14T13:00:47Z")
Because it’s the only defence they have: “think of the newbies!”. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/108 "2021-11-14T13:06:36Z")
True, but then saying there’s no change for newbies kinda dents that a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/109 "2021-11-14T13:26:05Z")
Didn’t say it was a good or valid defence. I wonder if people believe the nonsense they write JUST to suit their position or if they really do lack that basic logic. ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/110 "2021-11-14T13:38:34Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > “think of the newbies!”. Noobie here… No one needs to think of me in this regard, I’ll never mine or manufacture, period. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/111 "2021-11-14T14:41:01Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > But there will be fewer of those as it requires significantly more effort to multibox Ok.. How exactly do you think multibox miners survived before CCP broke mining a few years back? Yes a few Orca multiboxers will simply let subs drop and or stop playing but that won’t be the “norm”. Overall there is more likely to be a resurgence of 1 Rorqual/Orca + 20 alts. When I used to mine, years ago in highsec, it was with an Orca, Charon and 8 miners. At that time I was competing with others who had 1 man fleets 2 or 3 times the size of mine. Eve has always been about min/max and from the proposed changes to mining CCP has decided they want that to continue. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > True, but then saying there’s no change for newbies kinda dents that a bit Would it be better to say - Yeah newbies are gonna be so much better off now - Or tell the truth, gained from experience with how the game is played and not get their hopes up. > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > I wonder if people believe the nonsense they write Not sure whether you’re just a new forum alt or a new player who doesn’t yet understand the game but after 17 years bouncing around Eve, what you choose to call “nonsense” is insight garnered from years of actually playing the game. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/112 "2021-11-14T14:43:53Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Ok… How exactly do you think multibox miners survived before CCP broke mining a few years back? > Yes a few Orca multiboxers will simply let subs drop and or stop playing but that won’t be the “norm”. Overall there is more likely to be a resurgence of 1 Rorqual/Orca + 20 alts. > When I used to mine, years ago in highsec, it was with an Orca, Charon and 8 miners. At that time I was competing with others who had 1 man fleets 2 or 3 times the size of mine. The people willing to put in the effort to continue mining now that they cannot do it easily without much input will continue multiboxing. But many people did it because it was very little effort. They will scale down or stop mining all day. So yes, you will still see multiboxed mining fleets. Just less of them than you currently see semi-AFK Orca fleets. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/113 "2021-11-14T14:45:04Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Would it be better to say - Yeah newbies are gonna be so much better off now Yes Why are you mentioning new players though? A base line new clone will have zero change to them. How does it affect new players at all? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/114 "2021-11-14T14:46:18Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Why are you mentioning new players though? A base line new clone will have zero change to them. How does it affect new players at all? If the total amount of ore coming into the game goes down due to reduced yield of the big boy Orca and Rorqual miners, the price per ore goes up. And so does the price per ore for the newbie miner. They may mine much less in their Venture, but the price of what they do mine is still determined by the amount the rest of the players mine. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/115 "2021-11-14T14:47:48Z")
Yeah though the volume from those of us who play properly will also go up. But I hope that theres a mass exodus of krabs to help raise the price up. So it either is no effect on mr venture t1 miner, or its better. Theres no way it can be worse. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/116 "2021-11-14T14:50:13Z")
Yep, for a newbie miner these mining changes are positive. The only negative for newbie miners is that they might get friction with better skilled miners when mining valuable ores because they waste a bigger part of the asteroid. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/117 "2021-11-14T14:54:14Z")
Only if theres a real disparity in gear. Its not like theres not enough rocks for everyone. Dont corps support their new players anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/118 "2021-11-14T15:11:10Z")
I expect high yield crystals to become the norm. If they waste about as much or more than T1 miners then noobs joining fleets shouldn’t be a huge issue. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/119 "2021-11-14T15:17:25Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > but after 17 years bouncing around Eve, what you choose to call “nonsense” is insight garnered from years of actually playing the game. dude, Eve isn’t that deep. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/120 "2021-11-14T15:19:55Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > big boy Orca ummm… the Orca may be big, but in terms of mining profit it was ‘meh’… I was hoping they would bring improvements with the new changes, but we all see where that went. and I’m not really protesting. The game is what it is - I learned that the hard way. I won’t be coming back. edit: I think the point i’m trying to make is that we want bigger rewards for solo play than multi-accounts or fleets. These changes just force players to rely on others (or alts) to bring the rewards, when that has always been the source of the problem in this game. It has never been easy to get help, to get boosted when you need an orca pilot, if you’re a solo venture / barge pilot etc… I could go on and on. And if you think it’s easy to team up and reap max benefits from the proposed orca + fleet of miners (unless you’re prepared to invest real cash into 6 omega subscriptions yourself), DREAM ON. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/121 "2021-11-14T15:22:23Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I expect high yield crystals to become the norm. lol the last time I played Eve it was with my max skilled Orca pilot + max skilled exhumer pilot + implant + t2 crystal, and guess what? I got blasted into space by gankers. Waste of a hulk, waste of an implant, waste of a month’s subscription, waste of my time. ---
**Author:** ![AbuTirja\_Whatever](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abutirja_whatever/32/293434_2.png) [@AbuTirja\_Whatever](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AbuTirja_Whatever)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417/122 "2021-11-14T15:58:21Z")
Honestly … depends on what you want to do in EVE … ganking? Hell yes. With these changes ganking in HS becomes even more easy and lucrative. Mining … no, because mining was hit with the BIG nerf-bat! Just my 2 cents [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-will-it-make-me-return-to-eve/336417.md?page=7)