# Frustrating and unfair **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 12, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033 "2021-03-12T17:42:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Eskauchi\_Maken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eskauchi_maken/32/259786_2.png) [@Eskauchi\_Maken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eskauchi_Maken)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/63 "2021-03-14T09:42:57Z")
so what does this bonus actually provide – new skills i cannot get any other way or just a faster start into the game, or both or more? so far so good here – missed the bonus and too bad for me for finding out about it all lol ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/64 "2021-03-14T09:47:44Z")
As I said, you don’t HAVE to know beforehand. You learn of it by being active in learning about the game. If you couldn’t be bothered to read/interact with the rookie channel, couldn’t be bothered to look up “getting started” YouTube vids nor couldn’t be arsed to read the newbie forums (there’s a pinned thread there) then what makes you think you’re owed that “starter code”? ---
**Author:** ![Eskauchi\_Maken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eskauchi_maken/32/259786_2.png) [@Eskauchi\_Maken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eskauchi_Maken)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/65 "2021-03-14T09:48:00Z")
well i am giving the game a proper go and I have not created a second character and sent all my stuff to him. i also have not spent any money (yet) as an Alpha. But i am one example of someone who didnt look the game up on the internet (first). ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/66 "2021-03-14T09:52:05Z")
You get 1 million unallocated SP for using someone’s recruitment link. If you already created an account, you can’t get it. However, you can get it on subsequent characters that you make (i.e. alts, or starting fresh if your character character is low enough SP to warrant it). ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/67 "2021-03-14T09:55:19Z")
> [@Eskauchi\_Maken](#): > > so what does this bonus actually provide You get 1 mil skillpoints right off the bat for you to apply, for an alpha account that is over a month of training. So if you’re not up to that 1.4 mil SP yet (you start off with 400k) then it’s worth it to create a new account and a new character, and if you want to keep your name just delete your current character and remake him on the new one. You can make as many accounts as you want with just 1 email address so you can experiment with multiple accounts all training different play styles or factions (that’s what I did and in fact still do, I made a new alpha account to try out Faction Warfare). If you use someone’s code and you go omega they get some rewards so whenever you use someone’s code be sure they offer a reward for you going omega on it, there’s a pinned thread in the newbie section. If you can’t be bothered with that just pick any code or create your own from your current account. Go here, log in with your current account and via your own referral create new account(s). [Recruit a friend and get rewards | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/recruit) ---
**Author:** ![Eskauchi\_Maken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eskauchi_maken/32/259786_2.png) [@Eskauchi\_Maken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eskauchi_Maken)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/68 "2021-03-14T09:57:49Z")
hmm could be good – thanks man ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/69 "2021-03-14T09:58:56Z")
Don’t redeem the 1 million SP until you’ve trained 5 million SP, because it will count against that training limit. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/70 "2021-03-14T10:24:32Z")
By the way, if you intend on playing as an alpha, it is better if you don’t claim the unallocated SP right away (leave it in the redeeming queue, it won’t expire). Passively train up till you hit 5 million SP, and then claim all the unallocated SP from the recruitment bonus and login campaigns. If you’re smart about it, and stay on top of keeping your skill queue full, you should hit 5 million SP before any of the SP from the login campaigns expire. This delayed gratification will allow you to get up to about 6.5 million SP as an alpha. - Make a good remap (i.e. 27 Perception, 21 Intelligence for a combat focused character. Intelligence and Memory for an Industrialist). Do note, however, that remaps are a limited resource, so you should make sure you know what you’re doing before you pull the trigger. I talk more about remaps in my [skill point series](https://youtu.be/ALEIRnURvMk). Check it out, and feel free to at me if you have questions. - Use +3 learning implants (check out [Eve university’s article on pod saving](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Pod_saving)) - Make use of cheap live event accelerators if they are available (I’ve seen them as low as 7mil an accelerator, but they can often be much more expensive. Thus, they aren’t always worth it for newer players). - You should also use a Standard Cerebral Accelerator. P.S. You could use Xanthellus’s recruitment link, however, you should create your own if you plan on keeping both characters. I also created a contract for Eskauchi. Use it on your new toon. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/71 "2021-03-14T10:58:29Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > You my friend are very ignorant of where destruction takes place if you think that some how its not in high sec. And you, _friend_, are undoubtedly capable of giving us a breakdown of the numbers for hisec, lowsec, etc of ship losses and values due to npcs and to players. P.S. You do **not** represent the “majority of people that play this game and others (we don’t care what people do in other games)”. You don’t speak for them. Unlike you they never made “3.2 trillion isk” and never will P.S. 2: I’m not even a hisec ganker. Killed a ganker once, lied in wait for days, got all the local bookmarks he used for ganking and scanning. But that was just payback time for killing one of my corpies who was foolish enough to put all his possessions in a cheap industrial and try to join us in null. Of course he got ganked in Bagodan, lol, by a solo tornado. We threw some corp isk at our corpie, used his kill right, everyone happy. Good times. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/72 "2021-03-14T11:04:22Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > P.S. You do **not** represent the “majority of people that play this game and others (we don’t care what people do in other games)”. You don’t speak for them. Unlike you they never made “3.2 trillion isk” and never will Now just imagine how much he would’ve made if he could load up his freighters and set them on autopilot while sleeping. Remove ganking from high-sec. You know, _ **for the children** _. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/73 "2021-03-14T11:04:49Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > P.S. You could use Xanthellus’s recruitment link, however, you should create your own if you plan on keeping both characters. I didn’t link mine, just a link to the generic recruitment website. Wanted to help, not get rich off of him 😛 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/74 "2021-03-14T12:46:44Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The game was released with CONCORD already implemented. Timers were added in the 2003 Castor expansion in order to deal with load times and to allow players to get their bearings after session changes. Neither was added in response to “players constantly attacking other players as they spawned” because that wasn’t even a _consideration_ at that stage of the game’s existence. BS, you obviously never checked out the original forums, there were threads posted by Hilmar explaining why Concord was added to the game ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/75 "2021-03-14T12:48:03Z")
ugh, I hope it was someone you support, and not a random asshole looking to make easy money off of newbros or the work of other people. In fact, did you know that there are assholes who have embedded my videos in their webpages, and then posted their own recruitment links under them. If anyone see this and wants to support me, I sometimes make crappy youtube videos. > **[Get 1 million Skill Points for signing up free to EVE!](https://www.eveonline.com/signup?invc=d77845b2-d1e0-4902-8b9d-44e38c00b328)** > > Your friend has personally invited you to play EVE Online through the Recruitment Program. You can play for free as an Alpha pilot, with an added bonus of 1,000,000 Skill Points to spend on any skills you choose, saving you 20 days of training. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/76 "2021-03-14T13:01:25Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > work of other people > … > who have embedded my videos in their webpages 🤭 Though you have to admit that is a very EVE thing to do. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/77 "2021-03-14T13:15:33Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > The game was released with CONCORD already implemented. Timers were added in the 2003 Castor expansion in order to deal with load times and to allow players to get their bearings after session changes. Neither was added in response to “players constantly attacking other players as they spawned” because that wasn’t even a _consideration_ at that stage of the game’s existence. > > BS, you obviously never checked out the original forums, there were threads posted by Hilmar explaining why Concord was added to the game You mean why CONCORD (alongside NPC navies) was added to the game **during the game’s development**? As in, because he knew that open-world PvP games (like UO) had (surprise!) players killing other players in them, and because he wanted to have varying degrees of consequences for killing players in systems of varying security status? The game was **released** on May 6, 2003, with CONCORD already present. The first patch change affecting anything CONCORD-related came 23 days later, in build 1053. CONCORD was **not** an addition that acted as a _reactionary measure_ to anything PvP-related. And I confirmed this with a friend who played since release already (I’ve only played since 2004, after the Yulai Incident). I was also told that before timers, you didn’t even jump between systems gate-to-gate. The timers were added when the current travel system was implemented. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/78 "2021-03-14T14:25:33Z")
Impressive fact checking, hats off. But will it be enough ? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/79 "2021-03-14T15:44:47Z")
To debunk a revisionist history put forth by someone who believes that their “truth” is the only truth? Nah. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/80 "2021-03-14T18:12:19Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You mean why CONCORD (alongside NPC navies) was added to the game **during the game’s development**? @op Dont pay much attention to this eve has has times where you could kill and farm concord. Its not always been the instant death machine it is today, and its had moment where you could evade it (and get a gm to spawn and yell in local, lol). ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/81 "2021-03-14T22:42:57Z")
All things that were considered unintentional, and were quickly patched out/corrected during the game’s first few initial months of existence. Developer **intent** has always been uniform with regard to CONCORD, even if some bugs and unintended behaviors existed. Also, the OP has nothing to do with that reply. You don’t even read the threads in which you post. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/frustrating-and-unfair/300033/82 "2021-03-15T08:28:00Z")
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