# Future of PVP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 3, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513 "2022-06-03T15:02:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jint\_Hikaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jint_hikaru/32/387656_2.png) [@Jint\_Hikaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jint_Hikaru)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/42 "2022-06-06T09:51:46Z")
> [@Moze\_Z1](#): > > High Sec Care Bears can do their PVE activities in peace Ahhh i see what you are looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/43 "2022-06-06T10:36:15Z")
> [@Ursula\_Anders](#): > > No wonder all the miners are crying their eyes out and hating on PvPers, if in their mind the correct way to play EVE is to isk farm. I’ve said it so many times: if you cross a carebear even by just a little bit, by taking like 500k isk worth of their ore for instance, they go apeshit. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/44 "2022-06-06T14:29:55Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > they go apeshit Is it wierd that I want to gank them even more now? ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/45 "2022-06-06T15:30:41Z")
> [@Ursula\_Anders](#): > > No wonder players rage at CCP and quit when the slightest thing is nerfed. Must be frustrating to play for isk in a PvP game. Yes becuase the isk for pvp ships come out of your ass for free… I would rather pve as little as possible so that I can affored to pvp. If your mining at 10mil/h thats a lot more hours before you can pvp… use some common sense bro. O you’re a high sec ganker makes sense, that is not pvp bro, that’s still pve. The difference between pvp and pve is that pve is the same every time and you find a strat that works and you keep implementing it. Pvp has a million variables where you have to change strats on the fly use every little advatange you can get. But ganking is pve you pick a target scram him get your buddies to press warp then press f1 boom done, literally 2 button’s your mom must be proud. ---
**Author:** ![Buggs\_LeRoach](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buggs_leroach/32/376676_2.png) [@Buggs\_LeRoach](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buggs_LeRoach)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/46 "2022-06-06T15:30:45Z")
grats finding a way to do both simultaneously …[Catalyst | Ursula Anders | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/101095659/) ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/47 "2022-06-06T16:33:57Z")
> [@Buggs\_LeRoach](#): > > grats finding a way to do both simultaneously 😅 o7 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Gloveless\_Proctologist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_gloveless_proctologist/32/321871_2.png) [@The\_Gloveless\_Proctologist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Gloveless_Proctologist)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/48 "2022-06-06T16:35:12Z")
Player vs Pyroxeres ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/49 "2022-06-06T16:38:54Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Yes becuase the isk for pvp ships come out of your ass for free Why do you have to be so nasty? > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > I would rather pve as little as possible so that I can affored to pvp. If your mining at 10mil/h thats a lot more hours before you can pvp… use some common sense bro Dh-uh > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > O you’re a high sec ganker makes sense, that is not pvp bro, that’s still pve Where do I say I’m a hisec ganker? O.o > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > mom must be proud My mom is dead, jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/50 "2022-06-06T16:42:07Z")
Currenlty it feels like Regional Market PVP is more entertaining than undocking. Why is this happening? I want to pvp in Destroyers vs Barges for my entertainment time but the regional market is so volatile right now that one can’t simply ignore and pretend everything is normal. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/51 "2022-06-06T16:48:24Z")
@ [Ursula Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders) I think it is in reference to a New Eden mother / teacher and not the outside irl. Sorry to read such news, I am also sure it wasn’t directed to be a hurtful thread comment. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/52 "2022-06-06T16:49:41Z")
I apologize for that I had no idea, I mean you where being an ass so you triggered me. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/53 "2022-06-06T17:01:52Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > I apologize for that I had no idea, I mean you where being an ass so you triggered me What triggered me is the isk-an-hour approach to a freaking game. Maybe it’s entertaining to count and recount isk-riches like the fun is commensurate with how much isk one can make, I don’t know. I thought a game was to have fun and be competitive, not a race to riches. So we both got triggered. No apologies to make on your part, I’m overly sensitive of my mother’s death, I don’t think I’ll get over it before I die. > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Sorry to read such news, I am also sure it wasn’t directed to be a hurtful thread comment o7 ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/54 "2022-06-06T17:03:33Z")
> [@Ursula\_Anders](#): > > What triggered me is the isk-an-hour approach to a freaking game. Unfortunately after many years of playing the pve just isn’t fun anymore its become a choir but the pvp is still good so the pve becomes a necessary evil. And if I where to plex for all my pvp then it would get to me psychologically. So I go to great lengths to min max the pve side and loose as little personal time on it as posible, even as far as to have lots of detailed spread sheets on it. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/55 "2022-06-06T17:14:31Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Unfortunately after many years of playing the pve just isn’t fun anymore its become a choir but the pvp is still good so the pve becomes a necessary evil. And if I where to plex for all my pvp then it would get to me psychologically You made part of my point. That’s why I emphasize taking breaks and not playing for hours on end. PvP PvE… doesn’t make much difference to me, especially in a game where you can explode any moment, anywhere in the blink of an eye. That’s why I fitted my defunct Catalyst as I did. I was in 0.4, I knew I would be attacked eventually and didn’t have the will to run nor the means to fight but the purpose of those sorties were to learn and observe - my first time in Lowsec, do a little ratting, not counting the benefits of successfully mining lots of Isogen and Noxium. That was fun and I’m proud of this: > [@Buggs\_LeRoach](#): > > Catalyst | Ursula Anders | Killmail | zKillboard ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/56 "2022-06-06T17:16:13Z")
I think the first time I went to low sec I lasted a whole 8 minutes mining on a belt 1 system from high when a pilgrim de-cloaked and blasted me into oblivion xD for some reason if you go 5 systems deep into low you are like 90% safer lol its always those nabouring systems that are the most active. I wont lie im a little jealous you get to explore eve with fresh sense’s for me getting my first shakes in pvp where I actually stood a chance of winning was absolutely amazing and no other game has ever been able to top it. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/57 "2022-06-06T17:25:52Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > I think the first time I went to low sec I lasted a whole 8 minutes mining on a belt 1 system from high when a pilgrim de-cloaked and blasted me into oblivion xD Here is an example of how low player-count has gotten. I was able to rat, exlore and mine in my Catalyst for two days straight before finally someone deigned show me the door… I told them I’d be back and grabbed another ship. I’ve been back but got smarter about it. Now they’re providing content for me. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/58 "2022-06-06T17:26:52Z")
> [@Ursula\_Anders](#): > > Here is an example of how low player-count has gotten Eve goes through these phases and as soon as CCP finally releases new content it would be buzzing with people again. I remember in 2013 I think it was when CCP released a monocle on the store for a few hundred dollars and jeans for your char which where more expensive than real jeans or something and thinking this is it this is the end of eve and nope people came back. CCP even came back with some massive apology at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/59 "2022-06-06T17:30:53Z")
Reinvent yourself from time to time, shake things up and try completely different play styles. But also very much: stop min maxing both for pve as for pvp. Some ships are just very good to the point where they take little effort, achievement and dare I say it, pride. Use ships that aren’t obvious, that require more effort. So many people optimise the fun out of games to then say its boring. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/60 "2022-06-06T17:31:18Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Eve goes through these phases and as soon as CCP finally releases new content it would be buzzing with people again I hope it doesn’t die as quick as some players think/wish. It has great potential and I have fun every time I log in. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513/61 "2022-06-06T17:31:42Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Use ships that aren’t obvious, that require more effort. So many people optimise the fun out of games to then say its boring. I’m running lvl 4’s in a hawk like 15 different missions I would say im already way out of meta lol ![1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/1/2/412eb6f5bde4c2768740c159eae3bad99df8984f.jpeg) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/future-of-pvp/365513.md?page=4)