# Game isn't actually free **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 16, 2022, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836 "2022-08-16T16:25:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/267 "2022-08-24T16:36:56Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Could you explain how scarcity didn’t help newbies? I like the scarcity changes. I think that the mineral distribution makes sense - it is how Albion online was designed and it works very well there. That being said, prices of producting and thus buying a pirate and faction ships and battleships being so high aren’t exactly good for new players. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/269 "2022-08-24T16:47:24Z")
They could like make the game not souless, but pff wheres the isk in that huh ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/270 "2022-08-24T17:11:46Z")
That’d depend on what souls end up trading for in Jita. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/271 "2022-08-24T17:14:32Z")
Im not sure either CCP or Capsuleers value either heart or soul for more than its mass as biomatter. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/272 "2022-08-24T17:15:02Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > These days not with cash, no. Why? Because If I look at your killboard it looks like you are winning, so you don’t really need to pay to win. ---
**Author:** ![Kahna\_Sung](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kahna_sung/32/332492_2.png) [@Kahna\_Sung](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kahna_Sung)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/274 "2022-08-24T17:17:38Z")
Resolved. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/276 "2022-08-24T17:54:39Z")
> [@Kahna\_Sung](#): > > Can’t make that up if I tried. Welcome to the forum! Very little will make sense to you here. It’s the price to pay to be allowed to post on CCP’s official forum. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/277 "2022-08-24T21:06:31Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What bearing do killboards have on anything? Not much apart from information (unless you happen to be one of those people who care about zkillboard stats). Anyway, I think @ResonanceOfWar means that the information on your zkillboard shows Lucas Kell has been winning (= not playing) the game since start of '20. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/278 "2022-08-24T21:31:45Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Anyway, I think @ResonanceOfWar means that the information on your zkillboard shows Lucas Kell has been winning (= not playing) the game since start of '20. As I said: NPCs: Non-Playing Complainers. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/279 "2022-08-24T21:46:58Z")
I am wading through this thread but basically? You are right. The WHOLE game is not free, a portion of it is and this is similar to free trials in other games. You can get ‘so far’ and learn ‘limited skills’ So yeah, the entire game is not free, just a portion of it. Does that make it a ripoff? Nah. Yer a drama queen. This is a game with a full studio behind it and the devs like odd little things like feeding their families etc. YOU have a choice, play what you can for free . . . pay and play the full game . . . or go away. As for pay to win? Those goal posts move far too fast for me to try a field goal from here. m ---
**Author:** ![Kahna\_Sung](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kahna_sung/32/332492_2.png) [@Kahna\_Sung](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kahna_Sung)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/280 "2022-08-24T22:09:25Z")
> [@Chell\_Lennelluc](#): > > Game isn’t actually free The game is too nice to even think they’d have it for free. CCP lets players play it indefinitely for free as Alpha and that’s already a LOT for free. I would feel really bad if I played this game for free for years without at least sending some cash CCP’s way and give the devs at least some due in the form of some months out of the year as Omega. Those guys don’t work for free, no one works for free. Do you work for free? ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/282 "2022-08-24T23:28:46Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Tell me the last time I logged in and played EVE Sorry, I’m not _that_ obsessed with you. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/283 "2022-08-25T01:03:54Z")
Lucas doesn’t play the game, so his opinions are irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/284 "2022-08-25T02:05:35Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > The intention of scarcity was to temporarily reduce the influx of new materials below the rate at which they were consumed, in order to reduce the massive stockpiles players had gathered The real issue in Eve is not the level of raw materials but the total absence of decay. Ships can sit in dock for decades and don’t even need a new coat of paint. The destruction of ships is supposed to deal with this, but I doubt it does. The introduction of some form of decay factor would make it disadvantageous or expensive to hang on to massive fleets just sitting there in dock. Repairs from decay would push materials through the system. But, of course, nobody _wants_ to have their fleet of 500 Titans decaying in dock. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/285 "2022-08-25T05:34:05Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Lucas doesn’t play the game, so his opinions are irrelevant _NOW_ you tell me… Couldn’t have chimed in earlier, like before I replied to him 50 times? But thank you anyway. Now I lnow he’s irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/286 "2022-08-25T07:35:07Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > As for pay to win? Those goal posts move far too fast for me to try a field goal from here. > [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > YOU have a choice, play what you can for free . . . pay and play the full game . . . or go away. Field goal ?! You already made the full 6 points, LOL. ![200 (10)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/e/4/0e4694dea1ce2b5729242e8a3b7689726a27847f.gif) Also: Mike for CSM XVIII !!! ![mikeforcsm18](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/8/6/f865c014d018519483d4168d3c3f7a87e5dcd2a4.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/287 "2022-08-25T07:38:47Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Tell me the last time I logged in and played EVE. Must be a while ago if you cant remember. Sorry that was low hanging fruit. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/288 "2022-08-25T09:15:24Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > : Mike for CSM XVIII !!! I’ll second that. Mike’s the Man, if he can’t do it, no one can! ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/d/e/ade044ccc91ee3943b5eb13fbd09667097d127db.gif "Woo Hoo Party Animal GIF by TELUS - Find & Share on GIPHY") ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-isnt-actually-free/373836/289 "2022-11-23T09:16:07Z")
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