# Game of Alts - Multiboxing Explained **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 18, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777 "2021-01-18T18:17:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/43 "2021-01-19T18:09:36Z")
Only Im allowed to permadeath Billy #savethealts ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/44 "2021-01-19T18:25:48Z")
> [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > The precision required simply is not possible with more than 5 accounts without input-broadcasting. But it’s cool that people think they can just post something refuting all evidence to the contrary and think players will just be like “Oh, ok… herrrrrp…” You admit to being so bad at the game you find yourself unable to control a measly 5 accounts lol man you really need to get better at eve, i genuinely am constantly amazed how bad some folk are at life… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/45 "2021-01-19T19:07:57Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > permadeath Billy I was under the impression that you’d already fed his corpse to the piggys, and that the only reason he still appears on the forums is to keep the popo guessing. #removeteethandhairbeforehand ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/46 "2021-01-19T19:19:05Z")
Lil bestard cloned himself all over the feckin galaxy ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/47 "2021-01-19T20:26:10Z")
Never mind rogue drones, we’ve got rogue Billy clones to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/48 "2021-01-20T00:38:24Z")
Multiboxers (especially the ones with a lot of accounts, I know a guy with like 40 accounts) are a **tiny** but visible minority in EVE and as such get scape-goated a lot. The last time CCP told us about this stuff, The average was [less than 1.5 accounts](https://i.imgur.com/hHxSS0B.png) per person and people with more than 10 accounts were like [0.1% of the population](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-many-alts-are-there-in-relation-to-the-number-of-online-players/256858/8). And yet the people who post about multiboxing act like everyone has 60 accounts stripping whole systems bare of rocks and rats every 10 minutes. The whole anti-multiboxing mentality seems to be driven by equal parts ignorance and jealousy. ---
**Author:** ![Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tursiops_truncatus/32/232426_2.png) [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tursiops_Truncatus)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/49 "2021-01-20T00:47:05Z")
How many does he fly at a time? I can’t do any better than 6 and make sure I keep my bonuses rolling. The Orca is easy because it just sits there most of the time but my mining ships keep me vary busy. I could not control any more than that honestly. I am not saying that others couldn’t but I know I can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/50 "2021-01-20T01:02:21Z")
Yeah, so mining barges would be considered “active boxes”, as they require steady attention throughout the activity. This is opposed to “passive boxes”, which lean more towards set it and forget it. Anyway, scaling up your number of active boxes is a lot harder than scaling up your number of passive boxers. But, I suppose miners might be push the barge count higher by (1) mining belts/anomalies with bigger rocks, (2) mining belts/anoms that require the least amount of repositioning, and (3) using barges with the largest ore holds, as all of these things would reduce the amount of inputs required to keep your mining lasers cycling. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/51 "2021-01-20T02:15:41Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > The last time CCP told us about this stuff, The average was [less than 1.5 accounts](https://i.imgur.com/hHxSS0B.png) per person and people with more than 10 accounts were like [0.1% of the population](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-many-alts-are-there-in-relation-to-the-number-of-online-players/256858/8). This is one of those cases where the statistics cannot simply be taken as presented. It was a thrown-together graph, for a random Reddit post, qualifying that “we don’t have an accurate way to get this data but here’s our best guess. Oh and by the way we used the low end of the guess estimate”. It was also about ‘accounts owned per player’ and not multi-boxing per se, although obviously the two are related. The graph was on an upward trend even prior to Alpha clones and has presumably accelerated further since then. Also, many multi-boxers, especially anyone on the wrong side of the ToS, can be expected to cover their tracks so their ‘known’ accounts are _not_ linked together. I expect the true number of multi-box accounts to be noticeably higher than those charts indicate. That said, while it’s likely a ‘visible’ problem (as in anyone doing it regularly creates an outsized perceptual impact), there’s no clear data I’ve seen that indicates it’s a sizeable problem issue. The monetization structure of EVE/CCP clearly lies on milking fewer players with heavy commitment to the game for more dollars (as opposed to having shorter and broader appeal to smaller spenders), and so one would expect there to be more ‘accounts per player’ than normal. How many of those multi-account (and multi-sub) players are multi-boxing as well, and how many of them do so in an annoying manner, is a different issue. Once you’ve seen one or two obvious 15-20 alt mining or ganking ops, it becomes easy to assume this is commonplace. It’s equally wrong, however, to assume that just because one or two streamers can control a dozen alts for a stream, that they a) clearly never input broadcast, and b) other players can regularly do the same. ---
**Author:** ![1FSTCAT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/1fstcat/32/252733_2.png) [@1FSTCAT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/1FSTCAT)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/52 "2021-01-24T10:40:47Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/b/2bca114366d9b5caae7cd18ac5dda9917c88e0d3.jpeg) i think that if you want to do something about input broadcasting, cut it off at the sources where it grows, the test server sisi is actually full of it and isn’t policed at all. I have seen 2 more players this mirror start to use it and i have seen people within my own group grow tired of fighting against it and think about turning the tables. I would see isboxer used on a daily basis if I played on sisi and there were bigger fights happening over keepstars and supercapitals. there but it has become a bit much recently with the number of input broadcasters growing to a larger group of about 5-6 people now who will multibox just about anything that they want. machariels, nyx, zirnitra, revelations. the number of people using input broadcasting grows each mirror as and his group recruit new people who want to join him to ‘win on sisi’ you would have less input broadcasters on TQ if you did something about this fungal growth in your toes ccp. As for the question: does sisi makes them better at avoiding getting caught on TQ with isboxer, I think it might, i see 1 person bringing his control clients up to 3 and doing it that way to make it look less obvious it is all 1 guy. use utility \> logs and messages to see the hits and time if you suspect someone of input broadcasting if you are accusing. ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/53 "2021-01-24T10:44:46Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i dont understand the appeal of having more than one character Those people who need 5 accounts just to play a game are losers. They should get a life. ---
**Author:** ![1FSTCAT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/1fstcat/32/252733_2.png) [@1FSTCAT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/1FSTCAT)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/54 "2021-01-24T10:56:00Z")
nullsec income isnt high enough for people to make enough isk without 5 accounts or it’s too much value on the line to not have accounts to help protect what you undock. if you ratted in a super than you would probably want to have a fax alt, muninn fleet member and eyes and a cyno alt which is 4 alts. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/55 "2021-01-24T10:59:11Z")
> [@1FSTCAT](#): > > nullsec income isnt high enough for people to make enough isk Enough isk for what? ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/56 "2021-01-24T11:01:03Z")
> [@1FSTCAT](#): > > nullsec income isnt high enough for people to make enough isk without 5 accounts or it’s too much value on the line to not have accounts to help protect what you undock. if you ratted in a super than you would probably want to have a fax alt, muninn fleet member and eyes and a cyno alt which is 4 alts Are you replying to me? Because this forum doesn’t make that clear. Even their forum is broken. ---
**Author:** ![1FSTCAT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/1fstcat/32/252733_2.png) [@1FSTCAT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/1FSTCAT)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2021, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/57 "2021-01-27T08:06:46Z")
nah im just throwing in my 2 cents ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2021, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/58 "2021-01-27T20:10:55Z")
I know for a fact that Kusion doesnt input broadcast or cheat in any way. Also suicide ganking is almost completely dead so if you’re still here complaining about it you’re a complete moron. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/59 "2021-01-27T20:20:24Z")
> [@Red-Sonja](#): > > Those people who need 5 accounts just to play a game are losers. They should get a life. \*Whew! That was close! I only have four so I don’t run afoul of your devastating disapproval. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/60 "2021-01-27T20:23:48Z")
I have 20, does that mean I need to get 4 lives? Or is it 1 life per every account after the first 4? ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/61 "2021-01-27T20:25:35Z")
i have 6 so i am also in the clear , 3 is the sweet spot for miner ganking, more gives you options . But as Hellokitty said suicide ganking is almost gone , which is sad ☹ but thats why ccp brought in the trigs to replace the gankers that they chased/patched out of the game as stuff needs to die for a healthy ecosystem. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777/62 "2021-01-27T20:29:41Z")
I just wish CCP would create NPCs that would replace the carebears, which we could kill to simulate the PvP experience. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/game-of-alts-multiboxing-explained/290777.md?page=4)