# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/41 "2018-03-06T07:37:49Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > It’s like we witnessed the noise it made when truth and rational thought bumped his wrong conceptions and ideologies out of alignment for a moment. πŸ˜‚ Nah, Drac is right. Ganking and bumping are two separate things. You dont need to bump to gank, and you dont need to gank to bump. Bumping is not a CONCORD illegal act, ganking is. Bumping happens all over EVE. Ganking (understood as illegal aggression) only happens in HS/LS. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/42 "2018-03-06T07:50:56Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Ganking and bumping are two separate things. > > You dont need to bump to gank, and you dont need to gank to bump. > Bumping is not a CONCORD illegal act, ganking is. > > Bumping happens all over EVE. > Ganking (understood as illegal aggression) only happens in HS/LS. Yes, I completely agree with you, As I mentioned bumping is used all over the place to control the speed and position of ships, not just in Freighter ganking, they are indeed separate. The Freighter and indeed any other capital ship are do to their massive inertia more vulnerable to bumping. This is an obvious trade off to their other properties which is huge EHP buffers and in the case of the Freighter a massive cargo hold. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/43 "2018-03-06T07:57:00Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > This is an obvious trade off to their other properties which is huge EHP buffers and in the case of the Freighter a massive cargo hold. Well, that is speculation. Simpler explanation is they have huge EHP, to compensate for lack of armament. As to their alignment etc, well those are more simply explained by their size, and mass. That bumping happens to be effective, is incidental. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/44 "2018-03-06T08:05:37Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Simpler explanation is they have huge EHP, to compensate for lack of armament. > As to their alignment etc, well those are more simply explained by their size, and mass. That’s what I mean by massive inertia. They are extremely huge massive ships. Therefore they have a huge massive hull which can absorb a lot of damage, are slow as hell and hard to manoeuvrer so they are vulnerable to bumps. So do you agree that this is no issue but just a consequence of their mass and size? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/45 "2018-03-06T08:08:18Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > So do you agree that this is no issue but just a consequence of their mass and size? Yes. My initial point was to de-couple what I saw as an attempt to connect bumping with ganking as if they are synonymous. * * * Bump mechanics are imo a bit silly in terms of β€œramming” not having any damage effect on the rammer or the target. But thats beyond the scope of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/46 "2018-03-06T08:13:44Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > My initial point was to de-couple what I saw as an attempt to connect bumping with ganking as if they are synonymous. I think that is pretty obvious and I don’t see where my initial argument gave the impression I mix that up. But ok, glad we finally agree on something. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/47 "2018-03-06T08:16:20Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > I think that is pretty obvious and I don’t see where my initial argument gave the impression I mix that up. But ok, glad we finally agree on something. Just making clear on it, since it seemed to be an imminent flashpoint between you and Drac. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/48 "2018-03-06T08:17:01Z")
Drac just made a noise ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/49 "2018-03-06T08:20:05Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Drac just made a noise Well, you seemed to respond with bumping being justified by the ship stats on freighters (or other vessels), as β€œcompensation”. I wanted to make it clear you agree that bumping is incidental to ship stats. If you have the mass/inertia to bump a vessel, then you do. Even a freighter can be used to bump (albeit awkwardly). ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/50 "2018-03-06T08:32:48Z")
**Returning to topic:** Does anyone have the player studies that looked through HS freighter gank rates? Can anyone confirm it was \<3% of HS attrition? I seem to remember it being so, as I responded there as I did here, that if it was 100% greater (ie:20-30%) it might be cause for concern. Iirc, the thread was partially related to the issue of the free-flow of cargo between HS markets and NS supply (and the efficacy of the LS barrier between them), relating to JFs overflying LS conflict points. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/51 "2018-03-06T10:23:30Z")
It is a reply to Ima, one word will suffice. And you can see that Ima realized what she said was rubbish to boot. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine\_Deer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jasmine_deer/32/206152_2.png) [@Jasmine\_Deer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jasmine_Deer)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/52 "2018-03-06T11:47:15Z")
> [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](#): > > 1. Don’t boast on the forums that you are unlikable. I’m sooooo unlikable Bring it on πŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/53 "2018-03-06T13:49:24Z")
Darn you autocorrect!!! Unkillable is not the same as unlikable!!! If I could gank autocorrect, I so would! ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_States](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_states/32/23664_2.png) [@Clone\_States](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_States)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/54 "2018-03-06T14:00:00Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > On any other day, if you fly smart it’s practically impossible to get ganked while in a freighter πŸ™‚ ▁ β–‚ β–„ β–… β–† β–‡ β–ˆ π”—π”¬π”±π”žπ”© 𝔅𝔖, π”’π”°π”­π”’π” π”¦π”žπ”©π”©π”Ά 𝔠𝔬π”ͺ𝔦𝔫𝔀 𝔣𝔯𝔬π”ͺ π”ž β„­π”’π”‡π”ˆ. π”­π”žπ”―π”±π”«π”’π”―. β–ˆ β–‡ β–† β–… β–„ β–‚ ▁ ---
**Author:** ![Sebat\_Hadah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebat_hadah/32/248462_2.png) [@Sebat\_Hadah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebat_Hadah)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/55 "2018-03-06T14:47:31Z")
CCP does need to do something to change the way the game is played. some of this content is so stagnant that it literally blows. Highsec needs to be totally redone. Freighters are completely useless unless they have an escort. PVE needs to be redone. the rant goes on and on… ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/56 "2018-03-06T14:48:35Z")
And anyone is taking that claim seriously? I ganked several β€œnew” players. I write β€œnew” because in this game of alts you never know and it is suspicious that 7days old char is flying retriever. I see a ship I want to gank, I gank it. I do not check the pilot’s bio if he is new player or not. There is no time for that too. I usually find out after I have killmail in hand. Some of the gank activities such as venture killing and autopilot pod/shuttle+pod killing will obviously have more victΓ­ms out of new players. And killing new players is not disallowed at least outside of the rookie systems and career systems. If CCP wanted they would gave new players X-day immunity to pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/57 "2018-03-06T14:51:14Z")
Preach it brother! This BS about not shooting noobs is WoW culture, people bring that attitude in from lesser games. This is EVE, we don’t believe in that here. Noobs need dead too! ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_States](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_states/32/23664_2.png) [@Clone\_States](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_States)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/58 "2018-03-06T16:23:19Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > Noobs need dead too! I Googled, β€œMore Stupid Than Galaxy Pig” and got zero (0) results. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/59 "2018-03-06T16:36:36Z")
Since undocking constitutes CONSENT TO PVP 24/7/365/everyone/everywhere, there is no such thing as ganking. Therefore the premise of your post is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/60 "2018-03-06T16:37:09Z")
Yeahh, too bad for you that CCP agrees with me. Their study actually showed that noobs are more likely to stay if you violence them. So 'splode 'em young, while they don’t have much to lose, and then 'splode 'em again after they’ve amassed some wealth! Just 'splode 'em! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=4)