# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/715 "2018-04-11T13:11:45Z")
Tell me what it requires. Explain why it’s reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/716 "2018-04-11T13:17:02Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Tell me what it requires. > > Explain why it’s reasonable. Have you not rubbed your brain cells together enough to understand that you only need one ship capable of bumping the target? When the timer approaches 0, another ship can point it, and the timer is reset for the original bumping vessel to continue bumping it for another 3 minutes. As to CONCORD reaction to the point and remaining on grid, well, thats exclusive to HS, and suicide gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/717 "2018-04-11T13:18:23Z")
So how many alts do I need to get this job done? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/718 "2018-04-11T13:20:35Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > So how many alts do I need to get this job done? For bumping? You need 1 bumping ship and: In HS: 1 point ship per 3 mins. In LS/NS/WH: A point on the bumping ship, or one additional ship to apply the point per 3mins. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/719 "2018-04-11T13:21:01Z")
So 7 accounts? ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/720 "2018-04-11T13:22:28Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > Yes it will. It will prevent a single player from tackling a freighter without invoking a CONCORD response. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Bumping doesn’t prevent warp. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > …that’s why bumping has nothing to do with tackling > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > There is bumping and there is tackling. They are different things already and have different effects. > > Tackle prevents warping. Bumping does not, and can even assist a ship to get into warp faster than it otherwise would if not bumped. Quite a lot of different opinions here. Maybe it’s time to find common point? 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/721 "2018-04-11T13:22:48Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > So 7 accounts? Nope. In HS: 1 bumper + 1 point ship per 3mins. In LS/NS/WH: 1 bumping ship with a point, or 1 bumping ship without a point + 1 point ship, ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/722 "2018-04-11T13:23:25Z")
So tell me how you’re going to use 2 accounts in highsec to keep a freighter bumped. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/723 "2018-04-11T13:24:40Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > So tell me how you’re going to use 2 accounts in highsec to keep a freighter bumped. You only need 1 ship to bump it for 3 mins. If you want to extend that past 3 mins, you need 1 ship to point it, every 3 minutes (+ the align time of the target), so the 1 bumping ship can continue preventing align/warp on the target. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/724 "2018-04-11T13:26:09Z")
@Salvos_Rhoska It’s not getting implemented It was supposed to come in February and it didn’t. … Talk about beating a dead horse ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/725 "2018-04-11T13:26:35Z")
So you’re looking at 1 bumper and realistically 6 suicide alts (to account for overlapping the timer a bit) just to keep a freighter bumped long enough. That’s what this will evolve into. These players will be faced with the decision, “is it worth it for me to have 6 suicide alts just to keep this freighter bumped until we get there?” ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/726 "2018-04-11T13:27:54Z")
yep, if it would get implemented then code would use machariel + 6 suicide alts in rookie ship/blackbird to extend the bump ad infinite again so pointless really ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/727 "2018-04-11T13:29:27Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > So you’re looking at 1 bumper and realistically 6 suicide alts (to account for overlapping the timer a bit) just to keep a freighter bumped long enough. False. How long the target needs to remain bumped depends on the organisation/mobility/readiness of the suicide gank fleet in HS. If they are far away, do t have medical clones nearby etc, and/or lazy/inactive, well, too bad too sad, then more suicide points will need to be applied so as to allow the bumper to continue disrupting the align/warp of the target till the fleet pulls its thumb out. * * * In LS/NS/WH, all that is needed, is a bumping ship with a point, or a bumping ship without a point + 1 point fit ship. Those can keep a ship bumped indefinitely. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/728 "2018-04-11T13:32:04Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > False. It’s not. You didn’t account for criminal timers… Another simple game mechanic you purposely ignore 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/729 "2018-04-11T13:32:59Z")
Criminal timer only applies to one character, as the one that committed a criminal act. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/730 "2018-04-11T13:33:06Z")
If you want to keep it bumped indefinitely you need 6 suicide alts and 1 bumper. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/731 "2018-04-11T13:34:26Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > These players will be faced with the decision, “is it worth it for me to have 6 suicide alts just to keep this freighter bumped until we get there?” It wouldn’t even be that. it would be “Why would I even want to play this trash game anymore?” ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/732 "2018-04-11T13:34:35Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > If you want to keep it bumped indefinitely you need 6 slice alts and 1 bumper. In HS, that is false. You will need 1 bumping ship + 1 pointing ship/3mins. How indefinite that is, depends on how many point ships you have on hand. The longer it takes you to get your fleet there, the more point ships you will need per 3mins. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/733 "2018-04-11T13:35:20Z")
so completely pointless and just makes it more tedius, just admit you want freighter ganking removed from the game ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/734 "2018-04-11T13:35:25Z")
I used the word indefinitely. So I meant indefinitely. That means 6 suicide alts. Do I need to help you read this? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=33) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=35)