# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/762 "2018-04-11T14:34:49Z")
Thats another lie. I havent posted even posted 300 times, let alone repetitively. Almost all of yours have been trolling, especially of me. Dom, Fey spammed the same post 5times. Fay telling an ISD to HTFU after she spammed the same post 5 times and they got removed. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/763 "2018-04-11T14:41:13Z")
You can HTFU too. Yesterday you spam the same thing over and over and over only to concede later that it didn’t make a bit of sense. Somehow that’s okay?? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/764 "2018-04-11T14:42:56Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Dom, Fey spammed the same post 5times. And you didn’t spam the same thing up to 20 times in a row? Both here and the “About Bumping” or any other thread you’ve ever been in? That’s without counting all posts you made ignoring key facts, or your off-topic posts Act your age ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/765 "2018-04-11T14:45:36Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Bumps are not only applied to freighters. The majority of bumps are to stop someone from making the gate or the docking range and in situations like that they are likely to be pointed. The only one that is not is bumping people out of tethering range when they are tethered. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > If freighter EHP should be reduced, thats a completely different topic. There are reasons to do that, you do not want to make freighters too hard to gank, getting the right balance so its doable and that someone wants to do it is key. But I am not going to go through this in any detail, because it is part of the balance equation that the devs would have to do. Don’t forget that after they increased the EHP of wrecks thus removing the emergent gameplay of shooting freighter wrecks that AG was doing they then decided to balance off against that by increasing freighter EHP by apply the Damage Control EHP to freighters when they had originally decided not to do it. So from that example CCP will balance it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/766 "2018-04-11T14:59:10Z")
Fey and Dom, I cant but laugh at your dishonesty. Im legit laughing at accusing me of spamming when the other guy just posted the same post 5 times, and the other does nothing but troll. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > There are reasons to do that, you do not want to make freighters too hard to gank, getting the right balance so its doable and that someone wants to do it is key. But I am not going to go through this in any detail, because it is part of the balance equation that the devs would have to do. Yes, and as your response was previously, a warp timer in regards to bumping would not necessitate an EHP reduction because bumping can be applied to all ships, and bump mechanics would remain the same in all sectors of space. Its irrational to start adjusting the EHP of ships, just cos bump mechanics are set to a 3min limit which can be reset with a simple point. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/767 "2018-04-11T15:03:40Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > a warp timer in regards to bumping would not necessitate an EHP reduction because bumping can be applied to all ships, and bump mechanics would remain the same in all sectors of space. You’re saying that not me, and I have no interest in what you are saying here, I know what I mean however. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Its irrational to start adjusting the EHP of ships, just cos bump mechanics are set to a 3min limit which can be renewed with a simple point. I have already said that I see no reason to adjust freighter EHP with a three minute timer **which can be reset with a point** , why labor the point? ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/768 "2018-04-11T15:03:52Z")
I’ve literally tried breaking it down to you yet you fail to understand. All that is left at that point is to question your mind. This thread is pointless and you are a waste of time. Enjoy being bad. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/769 "2018-04-11T15:07:43Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have already said that I see no reason to adjust freighter EHP with a three minute timer which can be reset with a point, why labor the point? Good, so you join us that agree a 3min max bump duration with a point resetting it is an acceptable change. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/770 "2018-04-11T15:47:52Z")
Now try reading the context of the post I replied to. I’ll even help you out > Teckos\_Pech > > > Bumping is a niche mechanic used in freighter ganking and possibly to keep a super on grid. > Salvos\_Rhoska > > > Just use a point/bubble instead. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/771 "2018-04-11T15:51:40Z")
That is worse… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/772 "2018-04-11T15:56:33Z")
How so? I was very specific in my reply. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/773 "2018-04-11T15:59:42Z")
I am not going to scroll up to your post, but you said something about no bubbles in hisec if I recall correctly and there is Teckos saying supers and that is why Salvos said “/ bubble” Just so you know unless the GM’s make an error by dropping returned supers in Jita as they have done every so often, there are no supers in hisec. If you want to be sarcastic, please make sure you do it right. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/774 "2018-04-11T16:03:53Z")
The topic is Gankers and Freighters, not supers. While bumping is indeed used to hold supers down, it is also used to hold freighters down in preparation for a gank; given that most freighter ganks happen in hisec the suggestion to use a bubble was inane and misplaced. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/775 "2018-04-11T16:06:03Z")
My dear boy, please try to improve your abilities at sarcasm, you are letting down the English by failing so hard, I am almost ashamed at your lack of sarcastic ability, which most of my countrymen normally excel at. Shame on your for letting the side down… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/776 "2018-04-11T16:11:28Z")
Sarcasm? There was none involved, please try to remedy your lack of reading comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/777 "2018-04-11T16:14:19Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Sarcasm? > > There was none involved, please try to remedy your lack of reading comprehension. Your reply to Salvos was inane and misplaced, perhaps you should have aimed your comment at Teckos and asked him whether supers were in hisec. But I must say being told I lack reading and comprehension skills when you are the one that failed is priceless. You never fail to fail… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/778 "2018-04-11T16:20:06Z")
Teckos wasn’t the one suggesting the use of a bubble to tackle freighters 🙄 While he did mention supers it was merely in passing as bumping is also used to hold them down outside of hisec. Would you care to fail again? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/779 "2018-04-11T16:21:16Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Teckos wasn’t the one suggesting the use of a bubble to tackle freighters 🙄 > > While he did mention supers it was merely in passing as bumping is also used to hold them down outside of hisec. > > Would you care to fail again? > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Salvos\_Rhoska > > Just use a point/bubble instead. Notice the **/**? Reading and comprehension is not a strong point of yours is it? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/780 "2018-04-11T16:24:59Z")
Yeah I noticed it, / being used to indicate the word “or”; there is no option for use of a bubble in hisec, the only applicable options being a point or a bump. What were you saying about my reading comprehension? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/781 "2018-04-11T16:25:29Z")
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