# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1065 "2018-04-18T09:06:43Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Consensus on a hard-cap for how long a ship can be prevented from warping via bumping seems to be pretty wide. Consensus that you have no idea how the game works and that Dracs ideas are just the worst is pretty strong as well. And still no one was able to show that there is actually a problem that needs fixing. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1066 "2018-04-18T09:10:59Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Consensus on a hard-cap for how long a ship can be prevented from warping via bumping seems to be pretty wide. Pretty wide? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1067 "2018-04-18T09:14:34Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Consensus that you have no idea how the game works and that Dracs ideas are just the worst is pretty strong as well. Be that as it may, thats not relevant to topic. Everyone knows you will attack/troll/deny any suggestion to change bumping, no matter what. That’s fine, Your prerogative. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > And still no one was able to show that there is actually a problem that needs fixing. Perma-bumping is a problem. If you want to prevent a target warping off indefinitely, apply a point. That’s what points are in the game for. That and nothing else. Primary function of a bump is to displace a ship. The “soft-tackle” element is secondary. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1068 "2018-04-18T09:20:15Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Do you genuinely prefer your proposal, instead of the otherwise largely agreed to max limit on bumping, as a max warp off timer (undefined as of yet, somewhere between 15-30mins)? I suggested it as an alternative. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > In other words, is your proposal for purposes of exploring other options, or because you prefer if to the hard-limit on warping off due to bumping? I prefer it as compared to a hard limit because I want people to be able to put extra effort in. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The hard-cap timer has a large degree of consensus here, and is very simple. Even easier to remove the locking restriction on safe log off. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > For example, I proposed a mechanic where velocity in any direction is sufficient to engage warp (owing to unique physics of a bump). I dropped it in favor of the far simpler hard-cap on warp out due to bumping. I rather liked your idea in many ways, however it did impact other areas of game play. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1069 "2018-04-18T09:21:45Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Consensus on a hard-cap for how long a ship can be prevented from warping via bumping seems to be pretty wide. > > Suggestions range from 15-30mins, on both extremes. The gankers of Miniluv was suggesting 25 minutes to form up, I think that is too much time, 10 minutes is what they should have to work with. in my opinion of course. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1070 "2018-04-18T09:34:42Z")
Considering everybody sucks at something, I guess it’s something to be good at sucking 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1071 "2018-04-18T09:39:24Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Considering everybody sucks at something, I guess it’s something to be good at sucking 🙂 At last! This is turning into a genuine BJ rant. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1072 "2018-04-18T09:43:20Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The gankers of Miniluv was suggesting 25 minutes to form up, I think that is too much time, 10 minutes is what they should have to work with. in my opinion of course. Well, I am glad that we have people who know what they are talking about … and then we have you, who thinks his opinions matters. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1073 "2018-04-18T09:44:23Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The gankers of Miniluv was suggesting 25 minutes to form up, I think that is too much time, 10 minutes is what they should have to work with. in my opinion of course. I think 25 mins is too much, as well. Taking that long to get a fleet together and deployed to a bumped target is just lazy and inefficient. 15 mins would naturalize with the Capsuleer Log-off, Suspect and Criminal Timers. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1074 "2018-04-18T09:45:49Z")
And another one. You guys need to get off of your high horses. When people, who actually know what they are talking about, suggest 25 minutes, then people who do not know what they are talking about should not come in and declare that - in their opinion - it is too much. Why? Because you do not know what you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1075 "2018-04-18T09:46:14Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Well, I am glad that we have people who know what they are talking about … and then we have you, who thinks his opinions matters. My opinions matter only in as much as people listen to them or respect me, something that I am very confortable with. The opinion is that 10 minutes should be enough time for them to form up to gank and they are being a bit lazy or that this mechanic gives them an easy time of it. Part of that opinion wants them to have to gank on gates and chase the freighter. Rather than bump bump… gank, dock, 15 minutes while another bump bump and then gank…, you get it, it is like a factory line… PS In nullsec we sort out reaction fleets in a couple of minutes and if you are telling me that gankers who have the exact freighter details from ship scans cannot work out fleet composition and need twenty five minute sthen they are pretty damn poor. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1076 "2018-04-18T09:47:48Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > When people, who actually know what they are talking about, suggest 25 minutes If you cant arrange fleets to be able to deploy within 15mins to engage a bumped target, that’s your own inefficiency and bad planning. 15mins is the standard in EVE, also for Capsuleer Log-off, Suspect and Criminal Timers, ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1077 "2018-04-18T09:52:45Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > 15mins is the standard in EVE says who ? If you can’t last longer, you may use some blue pills … ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1078 "2018-04-18T09:53:32Z")
Yeah, sure, you can have your opinion, but you still speak out of your rear end, because you have no practical clue of what you are talking about. They are Miniluv. They gank. You are Drac. You do not. That is the important part. You do not. They do. They know what they are talking about, from practical experience. You do not. Sometimes it pays off holding back with ones opinion. Having an opinion is fine. Even having an uninformed opinion is fine as well. Expressing it, though, is a different matter, especially when it goes against an informed one. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > If you cant arrange fleets to be able to deploy within 15mins to engage a bumped target, that’s your own inefficiency and bad planning. That is your own, uninformed, opinion based on nothing. They have practise, you have not. You guys really need to be taught a few lessons. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1079 "2018-04-18T09:53:42Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > 15mins is the standard in EVE > > says who ? > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > 15mins is the standard in EVE, also for Capsuleer Log-off, Suspect and Criminal Timers, Its the standard for all three of the above. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1080 "2018-04-18T09:55:07Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > That is your own, uninformed, opinion based on nothing. They have practise, you have not. They also have vested interest, which I do not, Its to be expected they would recommend a higher timer to begin from, and to allow themselves more levity. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1081 "2018-04-18T09:55:50Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > They are Miniluv. They gank. > > You are Drac. You do not. I have ganked, I had a spy alt in Miniluv and ganked with them, plus I have ganked as a AG. So wrong > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > They know what they are talking about, from practical experience. > > You do not. Incorrect… > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Sometimes it pays off holding back with ones opinion. Having an opinion is fine. Even having an uninformed opinion is fine as well. Expressing it, though, is a different matter, especially when it goes against an informed one. My opinion is very informed. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1082 "2018-04-18T09:56:55Z")
Are you them ? I have no idea what you are talking about, I don’t want to take time reading and understanding other people opinions, I rather express mine even though I’m 99% sure it will be out of context. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Its to be expected they would recommend a higher timer to begin from, and to allow themselves more levity. I can help you having a bigger one. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1083 "2018-04-18T09:57:53Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I have no idea what you are talking about, I don’t want to take time reading and understanding other people opinions, I rather express mine even though I’m 99% sure it will be out of context. Well, thats your choice and problem, sis. 15 mins meets many EVE standards, as timers, related to action for purposes of aggression (which bumping is), and is plenty of time for an organised, prepared nearby gank fleet to mobilize, reach the bumped ship, and engage. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1084 "2018-04-18T09:59:31Z")
Yeah, sure. I would rather have someone from Miniluv here explaining the Yes/No, Why/Why nots. Why 25 instead of 10, 15, 20. You know, someone who has actual practical experience in ganking hundreds of them, organising the ganks, etc. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=50) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=52)