# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1245 "2018-04-19T07:05:39Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > However, my advice is…log off. A solution that involves people NOT playing the game, is utterly stupid and counter-productive. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1246 "2018-04-19T07:07:20Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > A solution that involves people NOT playing the game, is utterly stupid and counter-productive. We are talking about a handful of people. If a handful of people take a 15-20 minute break…the world will not end. In fact, it might be good for them. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1247 "2018-04-19T07:07:29Z")
They use those characters in hisec, they don’t go to lowsec to farm the tags and due to risk/reward balance in hisec they are not going to be able to fund that as well as a Talos loss. You seem to forget that when you are plump and dripping with ISK from your ganks. A lot of those characters have a role in their indy too. So while you find it surprising, I don’t. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Security status has nothing to do with bumping. It is part of the ganking game, the counter to bumping is a ganking the bumper, and most hisec players just don’t have the characters, ISK and ability to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1248 "2018-04-19T07:07:33Z")
Check your contracts. It is the least I can do and you deserve it. If there is anything you need or want, let me know. Thank you for your efforts! ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1249 "2018-04-19T07:08:05Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > If a handful of people take a 15-20 minute break I repeat: > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > A solution that involves people NOT playing the game, is utterly stupid and counter-productive. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1250 "2018-04-19T07:09:43Z")
I don’t really care Salvos. A small handful of people got into a situation where they more or less got caught being lazy…log off. Come back in 5, 10 or 20 minutes. The jerk will be off hassling someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1251 "2018-04-19T07:10:41Z")
Well the only thing you can do is if the bumper gets on you is log off there and then, it is however a hell of a risk, because if they can probe you down and get aggro on you then you are toast. I would do it but I would have another character in system to check to see if the freighter was still on grid or on D-scan if it managed to actually warp. But still the end game to counter bumping is do not do courier contratcs, and if you see a bumper on gate, dock up and log off. There you go, Eve gameplay… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1252 "2018-04-19T07:10:51Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > I don’t really care Salvos. You may not, but CCP does. They want people logging in and playing, not logging out and not playing. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1253 "2018-04-19T07:13:17Z")
No one ever mentions the FIFTEEN MINUTES OF GCC, which force suicide gankers into staying docked, or being in their pod only. FIFTEEN MINUTES OF LOST PLAY TIME! But sure … this one does not count, right? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1254 "2018-04-19T07:14:18Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > FIFTEEN MINUTES OF LOST PLAY TIME! That is a result of your own choices. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1255 "2018-04-19T07:14:25Z")
Yeah I am quite sure that the 2 people per week who do that do not actually cause any concerns, but hey … keep exaggerating non-issues. You ain’t getting anywhere. vOv ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1256 "2018-04-19T07:15:26Z")
I’m not surprised at all tbh. Yeah Im actually making isk as those failures watch and fail to stop me, so I’m not poor. But don’t act like there is anything stopping them but bullcrap excuses otherwise ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1257 "2018-04-19T07:15:32Z")
This has nothing to do with bump mechanics, or a hardcap for it. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1258 "2018-04-19T07:16:43Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You may not, but CCP does. About 5 players out of thousands…no they probably don’t care either. And considering they considered this idea then dropped it…nope they don’t care either. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1259 "2018-04-19T07:17:26Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > That is a result of your own choices. So was getting caught and being bumped… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1260 "2018-04-19T07:18:09Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > About 5 players out of thousands…no they probably don’t care either. Everyone can already choose to log out, if they so wish. It has nothing to do with bumping or a hardcap. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1261 "2018-04-19T07:18:55Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > So was getting caught and being bumped… Incorrect. The GCC is a timer specific result to the choice of action that player made. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1262 "2018-04-19T07:19:55Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Incorrect. > > The GCC is a timer specific to the choice of action that player made. Yeah, and a player flying a freighter without a scout and without any sort of back up…those were choices too. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1263 "2018-04-19T07:22:05Z")
I wanted to write something related … but there is just no point in it. All that matters is that CCP does not care about imaginary issues created by loud mouthing white knights, and THAT we can make sure of. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1264 "2018-04-19T07:22:34Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Yeah, and a player flying a freighter without a scout and without any sort of back up A freighter with a scout and back-up can also be bumped. This is not a valid argument. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=59) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=61)