# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1285 "2018-04-19T12:13:56Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Or use a webber, Yes what I did mate, and the suicide point? > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > or go around WH’s was what I did in terms of the choke points, but if I can not find one… > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > or scout Webber was my scout… > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Hauling is a skill if you know how to do it properly I totally did it properly, and did not lose anything, but I docked up and logged so many times it was silly. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > but most don’t and come cry that they lost a 25b isk boat to a well organized group I lost jack, so not able to paint that one on me Dom. So I repeat, option is dock up and log, and in the end I got bored with it… ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1286 "2018-04-19T12:22:03Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Yes what I did mate, and the suicide point? Takes 1 tick with the proper ship to lock/Web a freighter into warp > [@Dracvlad](#): > > WH’s was what I did in terms of the choke points, but if I can not find one… Or you can do some more jumps in hs to go around… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I totally did it properly, and did not lose anything, but I docked up and logged so many times it was silly. Why do you complain if you haven’t lost anything? How many times have you forced people to log off because of camps and whatnot? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > So I repeat, option is dock up and log, and in the end I got bored with it… There are others, but hey, you do you… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1287 "2018-04-19T12:29:35Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Takes 1 tick with the proper ■■■■ to lock/Web a freighter into warp You need to explain that because it is meaningless as it stands, do you mean the one second server tick, which is not quite right, because you have to lock up the freighter. All they have to do is lock it up and apply point and bang warp does not happen, it is a sensor boosted Blackbird fit which is highly effective. > **[Blackbird | Harletta Quinn | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/63733395/)** > > Harletta Quinn (Caldari Provisions) lost their Blackbird in Juunigaishi (The Citadel). Final Blow by Togamdiron (The Scope) flying in a Griffin. Total Value: 12,084,009.18 ISK That one was using an exploit so I had the kill mail to hand. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Or you can do some more jumps in hs to go around… Niarja, you can come in via another gate, you cannot go around. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Why do you complain if you haven’t lost anything? Explained multiple times. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > How many times have you forced people to log off because of camps and whatnot? Well that was with multiple people, bubbles, DPS etc., especially on people who decided to roam into our pocket. Quite often actually, so what… It was a full on combat fleet there to kill them all, not a single Macherial with a suicide point. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > There are others, but hey, you do you… Crickets chirping, I like detail, not hot air…, I am open to be educated by people with something real, not throw away statements with no substance… ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1288 "2018-04-19T12:35:18Z")
Something something courrier contracts? Or, you know… buy a mining permit and don’t carry obscene amounts of isk in an antitanked ship? Don’t be obtuse on purpose like Salvosboi pls ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1289 "2018-04-19T12:36:21Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Something something courrier contracts? > > Or, you know… buy a mining permit and don’t carry obscene amounts of isk in an antitanked ship? > > Don’t be obtuse on purpose like Salvosboi pls Hahaha, nice try… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1290 "2018-04-19T13:00:48Z")
Funny to see him like this. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1291 "2018-04-19T14:15:48Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Read Casuals They arent casuals > [@Dracvlad](#): > > From my prespective I think you are in the spot of feeling entitled to your gamaeplay, and you and your buddies play the one more nerf card like mad. It’s literally what you do. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > majority of the war deckers in the war dec discord, so many of them are bitter and angry, Citadels, Watchlist gone and can’t even check if someone is online now. Pretty much gutted anything but tradehub camping, I’d maybe be annoyed if I played that part of the game. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I know you put effort in and I respect that you do, however, it is still based on an utterly naff mechanic which you say will kill all ganking if it gets removed or modified, which I find sad. Not much more I can say is there? And it’s been there since the game existed, but that doesnt matter to you. One more thing till the next thing. _Removed some off topic comments. -ISD Dorrim Barstorlode_ ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1292 "2018-04-19T14:28:20Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > They arent casuals They are casual players. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > It’s literally what you do. Well you have a naff mechanic that you exploit the hell out of and you are entitled to it because if you do not than that is the end of ganking. Can’t see exactly what I have as entitled to, if you can show me something I have then feel free, maybe local… > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Citadels, Watchlist gone and can’t even check if someone is online now. Pretty much gutted anything but tradehub camping, I’d maybe be annoyed if I played that part of the game. Citadels, well they only shot small POS’s anyway. Watchlist, well hunting was dying before that anyway, watchlist was free intel for casual player so they could get a kill within an hour of logging in. Funny thing is that I did not realise just how casual most hisec war deckers really were. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > And it’s been there since the game existed, but that doesnt matter to you. One more thing till the next thing. I have explained my issue with bumping, but if you want to project your fears on me, that is your issue not mine. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Salvos has the excuse of being a complete drooling retard with 70iq, is that better or worse then you who can never accept it when he’s completely wrong? 🤔 Salvos is actually rather intelligent. Am I wrong that bumping is a naff mechanic, you effectively agreed with that above. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Bumping is stupid. (mainly perma bumping people for hours), but jfs, cloak warp, the huge hp these ships have, are all really dumb too. Bumping just shifts to balance closer to the center, if it didnt exist, highsec would be in an even worse situation of almost perfect safety. Still I cannot get away from the point that you and others have decided to partake in an area of the game with restrictions and moan and whine about the restrictions that are suited to casual players. That is still a major issue for your point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1293 "2018-04-19T14:41:41Z")
“Casuals” is the new “Victim” card, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1294 "2018-04-19T14:45:00Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > “Casuals” is the new “Victim” card, apparently. What is hisec? Who is it for, why are you who defines himself as a hard nosed killer in Eve playing around a part of the game designed for newer players and those that are casual and easy to kill. I could answer that, but can you? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1295 "2018-04-19T14:47:44Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > What is hisec? Who is it for, why are you who defines himself as a hard nosed killer in Eve playing around a part of the game designed for newer players and those that are casual and easy to kill. Yes, I was right. It is the victim card. Thank you, because this will help making more people realize what a phony you actually are. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1296 "2018-04-19T14:48:40Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Yes, I was right. It is the victim card. Thank you, because this will help making more people realize what a phony you actually are. You are a shark in a goldfish bowl complaining that the goldfish bowl is too constrained, your position is as dumb as feck, do you get it? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1297 "2018-04-19T15:00:01Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > well hunting was dying before that anyway Hunting was healthy Everyone in the merc community was doing it… ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1298 "2018-04-19T15:10:59Z")
He read it. That is all that matters. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1299 "2018-04-19T15:15:48Z")
Still I am not the one running around as a shark in a tiny gold fish bowl hunting small fry and complaining that it is too constrained. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1300 "2018-04-19T15:19:16Z")
Well… I might be wrong but “your alliance” usually form-ups to engage multiplayer fleets using proper compositions with possibility to be 3rd-partied and such stuff. And here people talk about suicide ganking solo freighter in high-sec where your only question is “how many catalysts/brutixes/SBs to bring”. Again: i _might_ be wrong. And you speak about 1 hour formup for ganking solo freighters in high-sec. Then i’m sorry… ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1301 "2018-04-19T15:59:13Z")
This must be your subconsciousness speaking. I am not a shark, Australien Excellence is not a shark, people who die are not goldfish. Your perspective causes a bias towards protecting what you seem to perceive as weak people. You call them **goldfish**. Apply this instead, because it more accurately describes reality: They are humans with more or less sense for self responsibility and self preservation. Not sharks, not goldfish, not aggressors, not victims. You do not even realize that you do not see them as potentially thinking human beings, you see them as sheep on their way to the slaughter. I do not know where this is coming from, but you are not helping yourself with keeping this up. The facts are all against you. The amount of people bumping, the amount of people being bumped. The actual impact of those who bump. You want a change that changes something for everyone, despite it only affecting a tiny minority. This is the US-politics’ political correctness way of thinking. It is not reasonable and not rational. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1302 "2018-04-19T16:43:02Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > This must be your subconsciousness speaking. No it is yours, I was using the Goldfish bowl as an example of a constrained space. And while I am talking about constrained space, this picture has me in hysterics, and for some reason I thought of you, so here enjoy: @Solstice_Projekt ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/c/8cf90aa63e8dcb092b19c5192415a1339d5252fa.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1303 "2018-04-19T20:54:10Z")
This link, btw, is broken. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1304 "2018-04-20T01:41:29Z")
Anyone can literally train a nado as an alpha till 5m SP then SP farm to have it pay for itself. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=61) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=63)