# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1305 "2018-04-20T01:47:38Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > This link, btw, is broken. I fail, but this should work: [https://www.ccpgames.com/projectnova](https://www.ccpgames.com/projectnova) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1306 "2018-04-20T09:32:33Z")
The Miniluv document suggests a 25min hardcap. I take that with a teaspoon of salt, as about +5mins worth of vested interest in giving themselves and others a bit more margin, and that’s fine. Its to be expected. * * * As others have pointed out, “perma-bumping” is the primary issue, with the effect on ganking (especially suicide ganking) being a mitigating secondary concern. * * * I’m ready to accept the Miniluv suggestion of 25mins. It achieves the primary goal on restricting perma-bumping. It achieves the secondary goal of mitigating that duration to where gank operations are still feasible/manageable. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1307 "2018-04-20T09:34:58Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The Miniluv document suggests a 25min hardcap. > > I take that with a teaspoon of salt, as about +5mins worth of vested interest in giving themselves and others a bit more margin, and that’s fine. Its to be expected. I would agree with that too. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/515703_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1308 "2018-04-20T11:55:12Z")
Look, Fellas. Heres what haulers need to do to stop ganking. They need to give me all of their isk and contract over their freighter to me. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1309 "2018-04-20T12:05:29Z")
I endorse this service ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1310 "2018-04-20T12:26:11Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](#): > > They need to give me all of their isk and contract over their freighter to me. And then you woke up! Sry, bro. Time to go back to work. As to Dom, feel free to send him all your isk and contract your freighters to him, to endorse him! :))) ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1311 "2018-04-20T12:46:46Z")
I was talking to someone who’s corp-mate got bumped for 5 hrs… there’s a problem with bumping if you can bump someone for 5 hrs … Let alone - I guess a ganker could set ‘approach’ to a ship and auto-bump to keep it going for 5 hrs… ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/515703_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1312 "2018-04-20T12:48:02Z")
> [@Exaido](#): > > I was talking to someone who’s corp-mate got bumped for 5 hrs… there’s a problem with bumping if you can bump someone for 5 hrs … Let alone - I guess a ganker could set ‘approach’ to a ship and auto-bump to keep it going for 5 hrs… yeah that was probably me who did that too. What a shame being bumped for five hours. Guess they ought to just give me their isk. ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1313 "2018-04-20T12:48:46Z")
Salty AG … CODE missed a gank on my Orca - they were so strange in their behaviour - talk about salty because I wasn’t intimidated by their childish antics and escaped. If they’d killed me. all fair and good GF. But they didn’t and couldn’t accept it. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1314 "2018-04-20T12:48:52Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](#): > > What a shame being bumped for five hours. It is a shame. What a waste of time for both parties involved. ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1315 "2018-04-20T12:49:21Z")
If you can AFK bump as a Bot-Aspirant Ganker - why wouldn’t they bot their CODE? ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1316 "2018-04-20T12:50:22Z")
At least you honest - you get like for this. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1317 "2018-04-20T12:52:14Z")
25 mins is the Miniluv suggestion. If you cant organize to aggress a bumped target within 25mins, well, that’s your own failure. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/515703_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1318 "2018-04-20T12:57:45Z")
> [@Exaido](#): > > If you can AFK bump as a Bot-Aspirant Ganker - why wouldn’t they bot their CODE? you cant talk to pilots if you’re afk. thats a big deal ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1319 "2018-04-20T13:00:26Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](#): > > you cant talk to pilots if you’re afk. thats a big deal Nothing prevents you from chatting to players while a bot script is running the rest of your ship/s operation. Furthermore, nothing prevents a bot script chatting with them either. (But both are illegal) ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1320 "2018-04-20T13:03:26Z")
You can bump for 5 hrs at the keyboard - that’s commitment - although I think it’s a busted mechanic, it’s a warp-scram with no module - 5 hrs is dedication! ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1321 "2018-04-20T13:05:05Z")
> [@Exaido](#): > > I think it’s a busted mechanic Yeah, it is. Miniluv agrees, 25mins is enough, unless you establish/maintain a point, ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1322 "2018-04-20T13:16:57Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > As to Dom, feel free to send him all your isk and contract your freighters to him, to endorse him! :))) I don’t have to, we make money when circumstances are right (rip that obe lmao) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1323 "2018-04-20T13:21:13Z")
Good! Then a 25min hardcap isnt a problem for either of you, either. :))) ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/515703_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1324 "2018-04-20T13:22:18Z")
I doubt bumping and talking while bumping can be automated. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=62) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=64)