# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/423311_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1365 "2018-04-20T14:19:58Z")
I would argue that a 25m hardcap would actually be a problem. I would foresee that ignorant haulers would believe that after 25 minutes have passed they should be free from all harm. The majority of cases would end in the deletion of their freighters after some void delivery, and they’ll get upset that the 25 minute timer didn’t save them. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1366 "2018-04-20T14:22:08Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](#): > > I would argue that a 25m hardcap would actually be a problem. Is that so? Maybe you arent so pro after all then. If you dont like the 25min hardcap, send mail to Miniluv, as its what they suggested. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/423311_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1367 "2018-04-20T14:22:39Z")
I’m allowed to have my own opinion. I don’t think sending any mails is neccessary. ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1368 "2018-04-20T14:23:12Z")
There’s a way simpler solution - make cargo-scanning turn someone suspect in high-sec. You can log-off safely if you’re not being target locked, and they won’t gank if they haven’t cargo scanned - too much ISK risk. They could target lock and not c-scan but then you’d know they’re taking an ISK risk if you hard-log. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1369 "2018-04-20T14:24:07Z")
> [@Exaido](#): > > There’s a way simpler solution - make cargo-scanning turn someone suspect in high-sec. Cargo scanning is not the issue. Perma-bumping is. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/423311_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1370 "2018-04-20T14:25:21Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Cargo scanning is not the issue. > > Perma-bumping is. We have to go deeper to find out what causes perma bumping. What causes perma bumping? The refusal to pay the ransom. Pay your ransoms haulers. Its for your own good. ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1371 "2018-04-20T14:25:45Z")
Oh dude - the bump is a set-up to a gank to delay you. The cost of a gank is based on the freighter value, if they don’t know what the kill is worth, then they won’t gank. The bump becomes redundant at that point and you could probably risk hard-log out. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1372 "2018-04-20T14:26:07Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](#): > > We have to go deeper to find out what causes perma bumping. It doesnt matter what causes it. All that matters is it happens, and putting a cap on it. ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1373 "2018-04-20T14:28:31Z")
Cargo-Scan is easy for CCP to do - the only reason not to do it is because ganking might well be an ISK sink that is keeping the economy in check. A bumping fix represents more difficult coding. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1374 "2018-04-20T14:29:18Z")
Cargo scanning is not an issue. Perma-bumping, is. ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1375 "2018-04-20T14:29:52Z")
You just don’t get it brother. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1376 "2018-04-20T14:31:41Z")
Its you that doesnt get it. CCP was already exploring changes to bump mechanics before they had to lay-off the team. The issue is perma-bumping. Miniluv agreed to a 25min hardcap, ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/423311_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1377 "2018-04-20T14:32:52Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > ts you that doesnt get it. > > CCP was already exploring changes to bump mechanics before they had to lay-off the team. > > The issue is perma-bumping. > > Miniluv agreed to a 25min hardcap, Have you not considered what the Bumper’s Union thinks? Miniluv isn’t the only group around that has an opinion on game balance. ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1378 "2018-04-20T14:34:00Z")
Yeah - WTH does Miniluv have to do with CCPs dev team - MiniLuv is Goon oui non? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1379 "2018-04-20T14:35:07Z")
Lol these replies. Babis and their first trolls… ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1380 "2018-04-20T14:40:03Z")
Miniluv is Goons yes The doc was written by one guy @Salvos_Rhoska Not the entirety of Miniluv, nor the entirety of bumpers. Bumping is a non-issue. Your ignorance is tho. E: Inb4 copypasta ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1381 "2018-04-20T14:41:00Z")
Bumping isn’t an issue for me - CODE failed(s) on my freighters. I don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1382 "2018-04-20T14:41:25Z")
To be fair to CODE - some of those Jita JF kills are impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1383 "2018-04-20T14:43:37Z")
If you cant get your gank fleet onto a bumped target in 25mins, well, you must be bad at ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1384 "2018-04-20T14:43:41Z")
Years worth of experience and nerfs to your playstyle will do that 😉 (I particularly love that Marshall kill) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=65) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=67)