# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1385 "2018-04-20T14:44:19Z")
25 mins is plenty. HTFU and deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1386 "2018-04-20T14:45:47Z")
You sound angry @Salvos_Rhoska You should calm down and accept the fact your 414 posts have been in vain ๐Ÿ˜‚ ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1387 "2018-04-20T14:47:33Z")
If you cant land a gank fleet on a target in 25mins, you failed. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/423311_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1388 "2018-04-20T14:50:45Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > If you cant land a gank fleet on a target in 25mins, you failed. What about the process of putting a freighter into the queue? For instance say there are 4 freighters being bumped. One gets ganked. Due to the nature of criminal timers, it would take an hour for all four to eventually be ganked. If the bumper can keep a freighter bumped for an hour while he waits for timers to refresh, should he not be rewarded for his skill? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1389 "2018-04-20T14:50:59Z")
I donโ€™t fail buddy Thatโ€™s where you failed to understand ๐Ÿ˜„ Do you still believe Iโ€™m a ganker or something? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1390 "2018-04-20T14:52:31Z")
He should be paid by CONCORD for being elite ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1391 "2018-04-20T14:53:12Z")
If you cant do it in 25mins, get your โ– โ– โ– โ–  together, or do something else. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/423311_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1392 "2018-04-20T14:54:49Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > If you cant do it in 25mins, get your โ– โ– โ– โ–  together, or do something else. But criminal timers only allow gankers to gank every 15 minutes. If a group can bump more than 3 targets at a time, should they not be able to gank them all? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1393 "2018-04-20T14:56:14Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](#): > > criminal timers only allow gankers to gank every 15 minutes Criminal timer is not changed by a 25min hardcap on bumping. Criminial timer remains 15mins, with all that entails, as before. Bumping is not a criminal act, thus unrelated to criminal timer. > [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](#): > > If a group can bump more than 3 targets at a time, should they not be able to gank them all? They can and will be able to, as now, provided they sustain the 15min criminal timer. No change is proposed to criminal timer. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1394 "2018-04-20T15:08:27Z")
It takes a theoretical 30 minutes to kill 3 ships Add the time for a formup, a time to warp around if needed, etc. You forget a lot of factors as usual ๐Ÿ˜‚ ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1395 "2018-04-20T15:09:27Z")
Anywho No change is required as only a very small group of people are affected by any form of bumping ๐Ÿ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1396 "2018-04-20T15:12:43Z")
If there are only a small group affected by it, that means a change can be made without widespread impact. 25mins is reasonable, supported and referenced by experts as a hard-cap. TLDR: If you cant get your fleet together and land on the target in that time, and/or place a point to suspend it, too bad, too sad. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1397 "2018-04-20T15:16:05Z")
Why should CCP cater to the weak? Why should they spend valuable dev time on a non-issue? Destruction is part of the game. So is having friends. No one is forcing you to stay Salvosboi ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1398 "2018-04-20T15:17:07Z")
If you cant land on a target during 25mins of bumping, its you that is weak, disorganized and inefficient. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1399 "2018-04-20T15:18:11Z")
Drop the passive aggressive lol Esp since you canโ€™t do anything that you say gankers are โ€œbadโ€ at ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1400 "2018-04-20T15:18:57Z")
25mins is plenty. Miniluv doc corroborates, If you cant handle that, well, too bad, too sad. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1401 "2018-04-20T15:22:00Z")
You are absolutely the worst. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1402 "2018-04-20T15:23:02Z")
Repeating something wonโ€™t make it any more true lol @Salvos_Rhoska ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1403 "2018-04-20T15:32:17Z")
Nor will repeatedly denying the truth. 25mins is enough, as supported/suggested by the Miniluv report. If you cant handle that, well, you must be bad. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1404 "2018-04-20T15:34:35Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > the truth. Is that no change is needed ๐Ÿ˜ƒ Link the km that causes you to white-knight so hard over this please ๐Ÿ˜‚ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=66) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=68)