# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/123 "2018-03-09T16:59:35Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I don’t want bumping, I’ll go play ELITE, solo. FTFY Tell me @Salvos_Rhoska Do you think bumping is an exploit? And do you think being on the next CSM will make you important? Lmao ---
**Author:** ![Jevatoxa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevatoxa/32/507981_2.png) [@Jevatoxa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevatoxa)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/124 "2018-03-09T17:00:19Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > And do you think being on the next CSM will make you important? Lmao Relevant might be a good starting point ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/125 "2018-03-09T17:00:56Z")
So If I ram a freighter with a catalyst… and lose the cat, the freighter is suspect? –Gadget doesn’t think she read that right ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/126 "2018-03-09T17:01:02Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Do you think bumping is an exploit? No, bumping is not an exploit. Ive said so for years. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/127 "2018-03-09T17:01:50Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > My initial draft is if you inflict more than 5% of their EHP on the impact, you are flagged suspect. Rep the target Problem solved And rip all the people who are on autopilot ramming people waiting for them on gates in frigs 😂😂😂 Also how will the game say who bumped who? Looollllll ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/128 "2018-03-09T17:02:41Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > So If I ram a freighter with a catalyst… and lose the cat, the freighter is suspect? No, you are flagged suspect in the catalyst, if you cause more than 5% EHP loss. The flagging depends on which vessel in the collision is traveling at greater speed at the time of impact. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/129 "2018-03-09T17:03:10Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Rep the target That wont change the flagging. Think before you post and spam emojis. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Also how will the game say who bumped who? Read: > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The flagging depends on which vessel in the collision is traveling at greater speed at the time of impact. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/130 "2018-03-09T17:04:01Z")
People like you throw ideas without ever thinking of the ways to abuse them #Salvos4CSMsowecangetall freighters suspect 😂😂😂 ---
**Author:** ![Jevatoxa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevatoxa/32/507981_2.png) [@Jevatoxa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevatoxa)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/131 "2018-03-09T17:04:15Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > No, you are flagged suspect in the catalyst, if you cause more than 5% EHP loss. > > The flagging depends on which vessel in the collision is traveling at greater speed at the time of impact. So we just undock in a fleet of, say, 50 ships and just “hyper-ram” the thing to death ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/132 "2018-03-09T17:05:26Z")
> [@Jevatoxa](#): > > So we just undock in a fleet of, say, 50 ships and just “hyper-ram” the thing to death Go ahead, if you can get enough mass/velocity going vs the targets mass to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Jevatoxa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevatoxa/32/507981_2.png) [@Jevatoxa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevatoxa)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/133 "2018-03-09T17:05:57Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Go ahead, if you can get enough mass/velocity going vs the targets mass to do so. Easily done. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/134 "2018-03-09T17:06:26Z")
> [@Jevatoxa](#): > > Easily done. I dont think so. ---
**Author:** ![Jevatoxa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevatoxa/32/507981_2.png) [@Jevatoxa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevatoxa)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/135 "2018-03-09T17:07:37Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I dont think so. If you believe that, then I can’t help you ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/136 "2018-03-09T17:07:54Z")
50 of any battleships is enough lol ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/137 "2018-03-09T17:08:02Z")
> [@Jevatoxa](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > I dont think so. > > If you believe that, then I can’t help you If you are thinking about 50 catalysts ramming a freighter, all the catalysts will explode on impact if hitting with great velocity, causing very little damage, each, to the freighter which has far more mass than any of the individual catalysts. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/138 "2018-03-09T17:08:33Z")
So in 10 minutes we found more ways to break your idea than you thought of Oh lord save us ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/139 "2018-03-09T17:09:15Z")
I think that gets way too complicated, and may be why it was avoided in the first place. 🤷🏼‍♀️ OTOH, Gankers could just figure out how to do 4.5% damage per strike and math the freighter to death without CONCORD intervening. The other questions is… would bumping still happen (just with damage)? –Gadget avoids damaging the thread ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/140 "2018-03-09T17:09:16Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > So in 10 minutes we found more ways to break your idea than you thought of None, so far. You just fail to understand the suggestion, cos you cant think or read. ---
**Author:** ![Jevatoxa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevatoxa/32/507981_2.png) [@Jevatoxa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevatoxa)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/141 "2018-03-09T17:09:58Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > f you are thinking about 50 catalysts against a freighter, all the catalysts will explode on impact if hitting with great velocity, causing very little damage, each, to the freighter which has far more mass than any of the individual catalysts. Where did I say catalysts? That was someone else. Plus, if each ship goes suspect at 5% EHP damage then 50\*4.9=? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/142 "2018-03-09T17:10:42Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > OTOH, Gankers could just figure out how to do 4.5% damage per strike and math the freighter to death without CONCORD intervening. CONCORD wont intervene on ram damage, only the existing system. Only a suspect flag would be incurred on the target moving faster at the time of impact, if it causes x% damage to the target. > [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > The other questions is… would bumping still happen (just with damage)? Yes, bump physics otherwise would operate as they do now. * * * Ive already answered these questions above in this thread. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=8)