# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1509 "2018-04-21T11:40:40Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > The document that was linked discussed that IF a timer were implemented that 25-minutes was “alright”. There it is 🙂 > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > So the team responsible for it was dissolved, but is there a reason why it hasn’t been picked right back up? Probably due to lack of staff resources atm. ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1510 "2018-04-21T11:41:20Z")
Could I bump someone for 5 hrs? sure - it’s like mining for 5 hrs. Q/W combination makes it pretty easy, the occasional course correction if you end-up on their rear side. With practice, no doubt I’d get better. I kept myself locked down easily enough with Q/W reseting approach. The AFK bump was my misread of the mechanics with approach - that was my bad. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1511 "2018-04-21T11:41:42Z")
“Probably”. Nice. How can you be sure? I think it’s best to let CCP speak for themselves when it comes to balance. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1512 "2018-04-21T11:43:08Z")
Rough draft for mechanic implementation of a hard-cap on bumping to prevent warp: - A 25min timer begins on a bumped ship, upon the first instance of a ship moving at faster velocity than itself is, colliding with it, with sufficient force to disrupt its aligning. - If during that timer, the ship with the timer manages to successfully engage warp, the timer is removed. - If the ship is pointed, the timer is stopped for as long as the ship remains pointed, and continues counting when point is removed. - If the timer counts down from 25mins to 0, and the ship is not pointed (or present in a bubble) the ship will instantly enter warp. - If the ship with the bump timer initiates a new warp command to a new destination, the timer is removed. - If the ship disengages warp process to its destination, the timer is removed. * * * Discuss and see if you can poke a hole in that. Instead of gish/trash posting to bury it. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1514 "2018-04-21T11:44:26Z")
You will find that with a lazy approach to bumping that targets will have a much higher chance of getting away. With this method you also will be largely ineffective in pushing them out of gate gun range, which is one of the primary purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1515 "2018-04-21T11:44:48Z")
> [@Exaido](#): > > Could I bump someone for 5 hrs? Not AFK you can’t. For a real test now against more difficult targets to keep bumped, you should jump to TQ for it for a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1516 "2018-04-21T11:45:40Z")
How convenient that you literally take a tiny part of my post in order to push your agenda. You need help man. ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1517 "2018-04-21T11:45:57Z")
Yeah. The original incident I never said was AFK. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1519 "2018-04-21T11:48:11Z")
25min hardcap on bumping to prevent warp is reasonable. Do you disagree? If so, why? ---
**Author:** ![Exaido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exaido/32/374242_2.png) [@Exaido](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exaido)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1520 "2018-04-21T11:51:03Z")
Yeah - it’s tempting to try it on TQ. I was using a 500m orbit - a tighter orbit might make it easier to switch to the approach. Will experiment more. Was an interesting afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1522 "2018-04-21T11:53:33Z")
I agree with this as long as people have to manually engage warp to prevent the autopilot from saving the freighter. Not that it matters, but I wanted to make it clear nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1523 "2018-04-21T11:53:35Z")
I disagree because I don’t feel it’s necessary. - The amount of freighters being bumped for lengths of time extending past your 25 minutes is small if not negligible. - I don’t believe it contributes to anything productive in the game that’s worth the dev time (even if it takes minimal effort) There hasn’t been any convincing argument as to why we need this in the game. What this comes down to is people that do not like a part of the sandbox and want to see any kind of nerf or change to it. So you can spin this how you want or create your narrative where you ignore facts, but you have failed to demonstrate why this is a needed feature. You don’t work for CCP nor do you even know what their current stance is on it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1526 "2018-04-21T11:59:44Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > I agree with this as long as people have to manually engage warp I can add that to the draft, but I dont think the game cares whether the command is issued by autopilot or manually. Its an arbitrary difference. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1527 "2018-04-21T12:03:30Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > I disagree because I don’t feel it’s necessary. > > - The amount of freighters being bumped for lengths of time extending past your 25 minutes is small if not negligible. > > - I don’t believe it contributes to anything productive in the game that’s worth the dev time (even if it takes minimal effort) > > There hasn’t been any convincing argument as to why we need this in the game. What this comes down to is people that do not like a part of the sandbox and want to see any kind of nerf or change to it. So you can spin this how you want or create your narrative where you ignore facts, but you have failed to demonstrate why this is a needed feature. You don’t work for CCP nor do you even know what their current stance is on it. 1. If the amount of ships bumped past 25mins is small, then its not a problem to hardcap it at 25mins 2. CCP already dedicated dev time to it, thus recognizing it as an issue. Would be a shame to waste that. 3. There is no convincing argument for the game needing perma-bumping, 4. Im perfectly happy with CCP using my sub money for this purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1528 "2018-04-21T12:08:29Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > If the amount of ships bumped past 25mins is small, then its not a problem to hardcap it at 25mins Nice circle you made there. If there’s no problem that currently exists with players being bumped for extreme lengths of time then why create the change? > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > CCP already dedicated dev time to it, thus recognizing it as an issue. Would be a shame to waste that. You don’t know the extent of what this group got done before being dissolved. For all you and I know they could have just discussed the possibility over a lunch break. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > There is no convincing argument for the game needing perma-bumping, I’m not trying to create an argument that we NEED it. I’m saying that it’s a rarity and this not a problem worth solving right now. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Im perfectly happy with CCP using my sub money for this purpose. Of course you are. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1529 "2018-04-21T12:12:24Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > If there’s no problem that currently exists with players being bumped for extreme lengths of time then why create the change? Its a problem for those that are bumped for extreme lengths of time, as the mechanic currently allows. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > You don’t know the extent of what this group got done before being dissolved. Its been documented. I read it. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > I’m not trying to create an argument that we NEED it. I agree. We dont NEED it. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Of course you are. I am. PS: That you cant/wont follow the itemized/numbered model in my post is very telling. 25min hardcap on bumping to prevent warp, is reasonable. Its both supported by recommendation from Miniluv in their report, and widely accepted here as a duration. You can disagree with that all you want, but it doesnt change the above. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1530 "2018-04-21T12:17:02Z")
I too can create a collage of words to support a change I want to see in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1531 "2018-04-21T12:17:49Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > I too can create a collage of words to support a change Inwant to sew in the game. Im sure you can. You have already done so, several times over. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1532 "2018-04-21T12:26:14Z")
I like Siegfrieds bump timer being when the server goes down everyday. Seems fair. Bumpings so easy I can hit a nomaded triple istabbed nomad once and goto the toilet and it’ll still be bumped 3 minutes later. I love afk bumping XDXDXD ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1533 "2018-04-21T12:29:17Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > … This guy said this to me in this thread: “Salvos has the excuse of being a complete drooling retard with 70iq” > [Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT - #1291 by Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/1291) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=72) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236.md?page=74)