# Gankers and freighters, a request for discussion. Not a BJ RANT **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236 "2018-03-05T15:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/143 "2018-03-09T17:12:33Z")
> [@Jevatoxa](#): > > Where did I say catalysts? You didnt. Never claimed you did. It was an example to illustrate my point, since you seem to think you can undock 50 ships with sufficient mass, and accelerate them at a target to “hyper-ram” it. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/144 "2018-03-09T17:13:51Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > rip all the people who are on autopilot ramming people waiting for them on gates in frigs > [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > If I ram a freighter with a catalyst… and lose the cat, the freighter is suspect? > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > There would still be people like you crying that I rammed you do death with a remore-repped orca > [@Jevatoxa](#): > > So we just undock in a fleet of, say, 50 ships and just “hyper-ram” the thing to death > [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > Gankers could just figure out how to do 4.5% damage per strike and math the freighter to death without CONCORD intervening. But hey, > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > None, so far. lmao ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/145 "2018-03-09T17:14:03Z")
> [@Jevatoxa](#): > > Plus, if each ship goes suspect at 5% EHP damage then 50\*4.9=? Wat? Each impacting ship is flagged independently. And each individual impacting ship incurs/causes damage based on the mass differential between them and the target. TLDR: 50 Ramming catalysts with AB/MWD would splatter against a high mass target like bugs against a windshield. ---
**Author:** ![Jevatoxa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevatoxa/32/507981_2.png) [@Jevatoxa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevatoxa)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/146 "2018-03-09T17:15:15Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Wat? > > Each impacting ship is flagged independently. > > And each individual impacting ship incurs/causes damage based on the mass differential between them and the target. If you don’t understand that simple equation and the effects it would have on your desired changes, then it’s little wonder you’re struggling with this argument like you are 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/147 "2018-03-09T17:15:33Z")
> So we can buy a like 100 corvettes and fit mwds and armor plates and just start kamikaze ramming. BJ JUST GOT CHEAPER Quoted from a friend. Rip #6 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/148 "2018-03-09T17:15:42Z")
> [@Jevatoxa](#): > > If you don’t understand that simple equation and the effects it would have on your desired changes, then it’s little wonder you’re struggling with this argument like you are 😃 Explain. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/149 "2018-03-09T17:16:54Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > > So we can buy a like 100 corvettes and fit mwds and armor plates and just start kamikaze ramming. BJ JUST GOT CHEAPER > > Quoted from a friend. > Rip #6 All those corvettes, one after the other, will splatter against any target with more mass then them. Each impact from one corvette doers not reduce the mass differential of the target compared to the next impacting corvette. Each will suffer the same fate. ---
**Author:** ![Jevatoxa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevatoxa/32/507981_2.png) [@Jevatoxa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevatoxa)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/150 "2018-03-09T17:17:37Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Explain. Explain what? It’s all there above. You come up with a crazy idea and we blow more holes in it than a blunderbust shooting a pound of soft cheese. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/151 "2018-03-09T17:18:23Z")
> [@Jevatoxa](#): > > Explain what? It’s all there above. So you cant/wont explain. Fine. Go do something else then. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/152 "2018-03-09T17:19:02Z")
you forget the part where a mwd adds mass, and so do plates… lol bring enough of them and you’ll alpha anything @Jevatoxa and now the “oh you didn’t say anything” game begins 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/153 "2018-03-09T17:19:22Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > you forget the part where a mwd adds mass, and so do plates… lol I did not forget. They are specifically addressed in my post earlier in this thread. Im WAAAY ahead of you. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > @Jevatoxa and now the “oh you didn’t say anything” game begins 😃 He refused to explain. What else can I say. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/154 "2018-03-09T17:21:00Z")
he did, you’re clueless lol just like your ideas don’t take in consideration all the possible ways of abusing 🙈 ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/155 "2018-03-09T17:21:32Z")
Here’s another oddity that might need to be addressed. I park (speed 0) my corvette in front of a freighter. The freighter squishes the 'vette like a bug, and now the freighter is suspect. NOW launch the cats. –Refining Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Jevatoxa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevatoxa/32/507981_2.png) [@Jevatoxa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevatoxa)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/156 "2018-03-09T17:21:42Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > So you cant/wont explain. > > Fine. Go do something else then. I already did explain, but you seem to have a habit of pleading ignorance. At least, I hope I’m not giving you too much credit than is warranted with my “pleading” comment. And I’m quite happy sitting here watching you slowly sink in this thread, thank you very much. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/157 "2018-03-09T17:29:55Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > Here’s another oddity that might need to be addressed. > > I park (speed 0) my corvette in front of a freighter. > > The freighter squishes the 'vette like a bug, and now the freighter is suspect. NOW launch the cats. > > –Refining Gadget Im sure there is a way to arrange the ram mechanics so that that is not an issue. Ive never seen a freighter bump a corvette. What even happens in current mechanics? Does it just sort of get nudged to the side? Sure the freighter has mass, but it has very little velocity. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/158 "2018-03-09T17:42:52Z")
tell me, if this ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/2/c2329009e3c75c9b37a25af1e8745110e95d02a8.jpg) rams your little ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/2/2217694c3ae46e5e682a00c6bbcc0cc05e8f3d02.jpg) don’t you think your little ship will still be very dead? lmao ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/159 "2018-03-09T17:45:33Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > tell me, if this Go back and watch your vid on how magical physics can be in EVE. It it was a rubber dinghie, it would just pass alongside the super-freighter. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/160 "2018-03-09T17:46:31Z")
you atm [https://media.giphy.com/media/13XuKth0DGfqIE/giphy.gif(image larger than 3072KB)](https://media.giphy.com/media/13XuKth0DGfqIE/giphy.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/161 "2018-03-09T17:47:44Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > you atm Tell me, Dom. How far does a corvette get bumped by a freighter these days? ---
**Author:** ![Jevatoxa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevatoxa/32/507981_2.png) [@Jevatoxa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevatoxa)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-and-freighters-a-request-for-discussion-not-a-bj-rant/61236/162 "2018-03-09T17:47:45Z")
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